[Imc-africa] Re: [imc-tech-solidarity] thinking about a shipment of
computers to africa
Sheri Herndon
imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org
Sun, 15 Dec 2002 16:41:25 -0800
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hey,
i am very supportive of getting computers to the south. i'm also
very grateful to the people who have worked hard to make these
shipments happen. it seems that gaba is pointing out some very
important issues that need to be figured out before more shipments
are sent. we need to learn from our experiences with these first two
shipments. who is on the receiving end and what is the commitment to
the project and how will distribution happen. i was in the irc
meeting with others today too and here's what one person had to say
about this idea for computers to africa:
Skidz1: there's a boat from japan doing that right now.
sphinx-Amb: Good ideas but we need 2 wait 4 the imc to be there first
sphinx-Amb: if not it will be a waist of time
sphinx-Amb: Let people understand the imc politics first
sphinx-Amb: truggle to start one
Skidz1: i don't think they don't understand...
sphinx-Amb: then the training will get a meaning
sphinx brings up really good comments here.
i think having a blueprint for this project will help with other
shipments to different parts of the world and continuing the practice
and also for raising funds to help make it happen.
ciao
sheri
At 6:04 PM -0300 12/15/02, gaba wrote:
>i dont know too much about africa but i think it would be great to
>support the imcs there. About preparing the project i think that is
>basic!. is shit to lose a container with machine that could help the
>movement. im a little worry about what is happening with the
>container to imc-ecuador. we should have a group discussing and
>working in the project in the usa to send them (it was really ok)
>and in the south to receive them. we have the working group in the
>south on the air. we didnt know how to receive them, we dont know
>how to distribute them... are really ppl interesting in the project
>on the south to take care about it? we all agree that is very
>important this project for imc collectives here in south america but
>we have to discuss it and search for legal and practice information
>to support it.
>
>no se mucho sobre africa pero pienso que seria genial ayudar a imcs
>alli. sobre preaparar el proyecto pienso que es b=E1sico! es una
>mierda perder un contenedor con m=E1quinas que podrian estar ayudando
>al movimiento. estoy un poco preocupada por lo que est=E1 pasando con
>el contenedor a imc-ecuador. debemo tener dicusiones en grupo y
>trabajo grupo en el proyecto en usa para enviarlas (fue hecho bien)
>y en el sur para recibirlas. tenemos el grupo de trabajo en el sur
>en el aire!!. no sabiamos como recibirlas, no sabemos como
>distribuirlas... hay realmente gente interesada en el proyecto en el
>sur para hacerse cargo de este? todos estamos de acuerdo que este
>proyecto es muy improtante para los colectivos de imc aqui en el sur
>de america pero debemos discutirlo y buscar informaci=F3n legal y
>practica para mantenerlo.
>
>At 11:21 15/12/2002 -0800, evan@protest.net wrote:
>>To get the ball rolling. I was chatting with abc from Nigeria and
>>sphinx from Ambazonia during the imc global meeting today. It seemed like
>>it would be a good idea to start discussing a shipment of computers to an
>>imc in Africa. Things work pretty slowly so starting now for a shipment in
>>10 months to a year is probally enough lead time.
>>
>>What do people think of this idea?
>>
>>For those who don't know, the basic idea is to refurbish old computers in
>>the US and ship them by the container to imc's in the third world. They
>>can then use them for setting up indymedia center computer labs but also
>>to wire and support many social movements and community radio stations.
>>For Ecuador we shipped 235 computers. For Argentina we will probally be
>>shipping fewer.
>>
>>Draft grant for Argentina Shipment:
>>http://internal.protest.net/osi/index.php?TechTrainingOsi
>>
>>Article about the Ecuador Shipment:
>>http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/09/23/antiglobal_geeks/
>>
>>One thing in general is we need to figure out how we decide where
>>shipments go and in what order. For one thing it's SUPER important that
>>the people recieving the computers be able to handle them. Both getting
>>through customs but also the distribution and training. Remember that a
>>container of computers weighs 8.7 metric tons! If we loose even a SINGLE
>>container somehow then it will be much harder to get funding to keep the
>>proejct going.
>>
>>-evan
>>
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<div>hey,</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>i am very supportive of getting computers to the south. i'm
also very grateful to the people who have worked hard to make these
shipments happen. it seems that gaba is pointing out some very
important issues that need to be figured out before more shipments are
sent. we need to learn from our experiences with these first two
shipments. who is on the receiving end and what is the
commitment to the project and how will distribution happen. i
was in the irc meeting with others today too and here's what one
person had to say about this idea for computers to africa:</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><tt><font color=3D"#000000">Skidz1: there's a boat from japan doing
that right now.<br>
sphinx-Amb: Good ideas but we need 2 wait 4 the imc to be there
first<br>
sphinx-Amb: if not it will be a waist of time<br>
sphinx-Amb: Let people understand the imc politics first<br>
sphinx-Amb: truggle to start one<br>
Skidz1: i don't think they don't
understand...</font></tt></div>
<div><tt><font color=3D"#000000">sphinx-Amb: then the training will get
a meaning</font></tt></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>sphinx brings up really good comments here.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>i think having a blueprint for this project will help with other
shipments to different parts of the world and continuing the practice
and also for raising funds to help make it happen.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>ciao</div>
<div>sheri</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>At 6:04 PM -0300 12/15/02, gaba wrote:</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite>i dont know too much about africa but i
think it would be great to support the imcs there. About
preparing the project i think that is basic!. is shit to lose a
container with machine that could help the movement. im a little worry
about what is happening with the container to imc-ecuador. we should
have a group discussing and working in the project in the usa to send
them (it was really ok) and in the south to receive them. we have the
working group in the south on the air. we didnt know how to receive
them, we dont know how to distribute them... are really ppl
interesting in the project on the south to take care about it? we all
agree that is very important this project for imc collectives here in
south america but we have to discuss it and search for legal and
practice information to support it.<br>
<br>
no se mucho sobre africa pero pienso que seria genial ayudar a imcs
alli. sobre preaparar el proyecto pienso que es b=E1sico! es una
mierda perder un contenedor con m=E1quinas que podrian estar ayudando
al movimiento. estoy un poco preocupada por lo que est=E1 pasando con
el contenedor a imc-ecuador. debemo tener dicusiones en grupo y
trabajo grupo en el proyecto en usa para enviarlas (fue hecho bien) y
en el sur para recibirlas. tenemos el grupo de trabajo en el sur en el
aire!!. no sabiamos como recibirlas, no sabemos como distribuirlas...
hay realmente gente interesada en el proyecto en el sur para hacerse
cargo de este? todos estamos de acuerdo que este proyecto es muy
improtante para los colectivos de imc aqui en el sur de america pero
debemos discutirlo y buscar informaci=F3n legal y practica para
mantenerlo.</blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite>At 11:21 15/12/2002 -0800,
evan@protest.net wrote:
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite>To get the ball rolling. I was chatting
with abc from Nigeria and<br>
sphinx from Ambazonia during the imc global meeting today. It seemed
like<br>
it would be a good idea to start discussing a shipment of computers to
an<br>
imc in Africa. Things work pretty slowly so starting now for a
shipment in<br>
10 months to a year is probally enough lead time.<br>
<br>
What do people think of this idea?<br>
<br>
=46or those who don't know, the basic idea is to refurbish old computers
in<br>
the US and ship them by the container to imc's in the third world.
They<br>
can then use them for setting up indymedia center computer labs but
also<br>
to wire and support many social movements and community radio
stations.<br>
=46or Ecuador we shipped 235 computers. For Argentina we will probally
be<br>
shipping fewer.<br>
<br>
Draft grant for Argentina Shipment:<br>
http://internal.protest.net/osi/index.php?TechTrainingOsi</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" cite><br>
Article about the Ecuador Shipment:<br>
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/09/23/antiglobal_geeks/<br>
<br>
One thing in general is we need to figure out how we decide where<br>
shipments go and in what order. For one thing it's SUPER important
that<br>
the people recieving the computers be able to handle them. Both
getting<br>
through customs but also the distribution and training. Remember that
a<br>
container of computers weighs 8.7 metric tons! If we loose even a
SINGLE<br>
container somehow then it will be much harder to get funding to keep
the<br>
proejct going.<br>
<br>
-evan<br>
<br>
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