[Imc-africa] Gilberto's mail

Mon Apr 5 02:57:03 PDT 2004

Hi Valentine

I hope your fine.

That´s interesting your rude reply. I wonder why you talk to me like that. I
just can´t understand why.

First, I raised this question because you agreed to refund me this money
when I asked you before I leave to Dakar.
Do you remember? I told you that I could not effort all these expenses -
including the money I´d have to spend in Lisbon as I´d have to stay there
almost an entire day for the connecting flight (Are you sure you paid me for
the transit?). So I´m not raising this question because I read on the list.
You told me about that, you said yes. Check your "deleted items" and you´ll
see it.

I´m afraid that´s not fair when you say that. Something you should know -
I´m sure you do - is that you didn´t give me the exact amount I spent for
changing the flight. And I believe you also know the reason why I did that:
because you changed the dates.

Pls don´t say I´m being insensitive.

It doesn´t definitely mean that I need desperately such money. I deal with
transparency on my daily life so wherever I´m involved in I wanna know
what´s going on, mainly when the issue concerns to me directly. I´m just
raising the issue because I should. That´s part of the Indymedia principles.
Am I right? Even if we talk about $1.

"All activists indymedia do what they do from conviction and are not paid a
salary for" and "...participating to show a certain degree of commitment to
the project" doesn´t mean, I think, that we should keep silent or accept
everything some people do. But, of course, I completley agree that nobody
should take such benefit from the organisation.

I didn´t reply earlier as I just arrived from a province where these high
technologies don´work and I´m leaving to South Africa tomorrow, but I´m keen
to read again from you. Let´s debate on transparency.

You are right: I emailed you once only. Of course, I´m honestly grateful for
your job, your calls that allowed me to attend the Conference.

Best,

Gilberto Neto

Gilberto Neto
(244 2) 446 829- Redacção/Newsroom
(244 2) 432 333- Casa/Home
(244) 915 16776-Celular/Cell
gilneto at netangola.com
Luanda-Angola
----- Original Message -----
From: "sphinx" <sphinx at indymedia.org>
To: "Gilberto Neto" <gilneto at netangola.com>; "African IMCs and the imc
project in Africa" <imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: [Imc-africa] Gilberto's mail

> hi Gilberto! Nice to read from you on the list in the way you did write
it.
> I got your "one email" which you prefered to call emailS on your mail
below. I'm
>  spending less time online now as I'm on a little break , i needed a break
from
> the whole stress of the conference that is why i did not respond till now
to
> your mail.
>
> You wrote asking me to refund the VISA FEE you paid for your visa.
Probably
> becuase you read on the list that we paid visa fee for John and Grace. But
> Gilberto this is abit insensitive on your part everyone on this list even
at
> this point knows that we just squeezed ourselves through the conference.
That I
> still have a telephone bill of 204,94 EUR plus the last one that just
arrived
> 55EUR which cannot be paid.
>
> In you are asking for visa fee becuase you read that the group from Kenya
had
> visa fee, it is to say the list very sad. Frank and Jean paid their own
visa
> fees too.
> John and Grace were send visa fees becuase they explained that they could
not
> afford it at the time even then they still had to add some money to make
up the
> visa sum.
>
> You got money for transit which probably Jean could have asked same if it
is to
> read mails on this list and ask for similar services. You conplained about
the
> $248 you paid to change your ticket while there were some funds you where
> refunded the money.
>
> I've read your mail and the others mails of complains about what was
offered.
> All i can say and will surely say when I'm over with my break and will
have to
> write a  report for the IMC-network on the Dakar-Conference is the
following:-
> That all activists in indymedia do what they do from conviction and are
not paid
>  a salary for, including all the energies put to make this conference in
Dakar
> happen.
> It means at least one needs everyone saying they are participating to show
a
> certain degree of commitment to the project. Thus acquiant themselves with
the
> information avaliable and try to take some initiative.
>
> I hope in the next conference, IF EVERTHERE IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER that we
can
> get information of how many people will come and how many people will
share a
> house, exact sleeping possiblities  and other stuff  and inform groups
before
> hand so that any group which thinks the conditions are below their minimum
> standard can just simply say they cannot participate.
>
> Gilberto,
> Write an email to this list asking for your visa and that will be included
in
> the conference final report for the IMC-network; and if any other
activists are
> interest in raising funds to cover left over bills from the conference
they'll
> consider that too like one of the standing bills from the conference. And
if
> they raise the money they can send it to you.
> Sphinx
>
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Gilberto Neto <gilneto at netangola.com>:
>
> > Hi Grace and everyone
> >
> > Sorry for the delayed reply.
> >
> > I had a safe trip back home, thanks. As Glenda said, we flew together
from
> > Dakar to Lisbon. I'm now fully back to work but planning another trip
around
> > Africa. I terribly miss everybody, especially you Grace, because of
tears! I
> > won't definitely forget the wonderful time we spent all together during
the
> > Conference.
> >
> > On the other hand, I won't forget the last hours I had in Dakar, moving
place
> > to place with all my stuff because, well I believe you know why. And I
will
> > always remember the fact that we were lodged in such conditions -
actually I
> > didn't care about sleeping in a sofa or on the flour, as that was a
grate
> > experience. What drove me really pissed off - a part of becoming almost
a
> > "homeless-Angolan- in- Dakar-for-some-hours" - was the fact that for
three or
> > four times I had to wake up and leave the room due the "toxic" smoke
some Bob
> > Marley followers would spread all around the room.
> >
> > Also, there is the fact that I wasn't refund some money I spent to
attend the
> > conference. The result of emails sent to Germany has been a total
silence.
> >
> > That's life, that's not the end of the world anyway. The most important
was
> > the fact that I learnt so the Indymedia process here is moving faster.
> >
> > Tell me about your life and job Grace. And you bro John, how's my
compatriot
> > Vladimir Russo?
> >
> > Frank - are you out there? Is Paul Biya still getting out his palace
with the
> > entire army?
> >
> > I think that we should communicate more and find a way to bring Jean on
the
> > debate.
> >
> > Rafael - Have you found anybody who was locked up? I'm planning to write
the
> > story soon.
> >
> > Glenda - Pls keep me posted about the projects
> >
> > Daniel - that program to send secret emails is not included on the CD I
was
> > given. Can you help me?
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Gilberto Neto
> > (244 2) 446 829- Redacção/Newsroom
> > (244 2) 432 333- Casa/Home
> > (244) 915 16776-Celular/Cell
> > gilneto at netangola.com
> > Luanda-Angola
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: Grace Waita
> >   To: African IMCs and the imc project in Africa
> >   Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:54 AM
> >   Subject: Re: [Imc-africa] XIBAR
> >
> >
> >   Attention Frank,
> >   The above refers, please do the needful,that is,  TRANSLATE.
> >   Thanks in advance, God bless you plus all the others too.
> >   P.S  I travel to Mombasa tomorrow,Godwilling.
> >   GILBERTO: R U IN ANGOLA?
> >   CHRISTI: DID YOU ARRIVE WELL?
> >   GLENDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM WORKING ON SOMETHING,WILL LET YOU
KNOW
> > ASAP.
> >
> >   Bye.
> >
> >   Grace.
> >
> >   Win an evening with the Indian cricket captain: Yahoo! India Promos.
> >
> >
> >
>
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