[Imc-africa] Gilberto's mail

[newkenya at riseup.net]

i must say that i have been saddened by some of the exchanges that i have
noticed on the list.

valentine:

i feel you can respond to gilberto's concerns without resorting to the
kind of insinuations that i see here. having dealt with you valentine, i
know you are a decent human being. i also can see that the concerns of
gilberto appear to be sincere and geniune. remember before the conference
i raised all these questions which may have appeared a bit harsh, but in
retrospect turned out to be very practical ones?

let us maintain the indymedia spirit of cooperatin, let us keep our eyes
on the prize.

i am pretty sure that collectively, we can work something out.

onyango oloo
montreal, quebec

> Hi Valentine
>
> I hope your fine.
>
> That´s interesting your rude reply. I wonder why you talk to me like that.
> I
> just can´t understand why.
>
> First, I raised this question because you agreed to refund me this money
> when I asked you before I leave to Dakar.
> Do you remember? I told you that I could not effort all these expenses -
> including the money I´d have to spend in Lisbon as I´d have to stay there
> almost an entire day for the connecting flight (Are you sure you paid me
> for
> the transit?). So I´m not raising this question because I read on the
> list.
> You told me about that, you said yes. Check your "deleted items" and
> you´ll
> see it.
>
> I´m afraid that´s not fair when you say that. Something you should know -
> I´m sure you do - is that you didn´t give me the exact amount I spent for
> changing the flight. And I believe you also know the reason why I did
> that:
> because you changed the dates.
>
> Pls don´t say I´m being insensitive.
>
> It doesn´t definitely mean that I need desperately such money. I deal with
> transparency on my daily life so wherever I´m involved in I wanna know
> what´s going on, mainly when the issue concerns to me directly. I´m just
> raising the issue because I should. That´s part of the Indymedia
> principles.
> Am I right? Even if we talk about $1.
>
> "All activists indymedia do what they do from conviction and are not paid
> a
> salary for" and "...participating to show a certain degree of commitment
> to
> the project" doesn´t mean, I think, that we should keep silent or accept
> everything some people do. But, of course, I completley agree that nobody
> should take such benefit from the organisation.
>
> I didn´t reply earlier as I just arrived from a province where these high
> technologies don´work and I´m leaving to South Africa tomorrow, but I´m
> keen
> to read again from you. Let´s debate on transparency.
>
> You are right: I emailed you once only. Of course, I´m honestly grateful
> for
> your job, your calls that allowed me to attend the Conference.
>
> Best,
>
> Gilberto Neto
>
> Gilberto Neto
> (244 2) 446 829- Redacção/Newsroom
> (244 2) 432 333- Casa/Home
> (244) 915 16776-Celular/Cell
> gilneto at netangola.com
> Luanda-Angola
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sphinx" <sphinx at indymedia.org>
> To: "Gilberto Neto" <gilneto at netangola.com>; "African IMCs and the imc
> project in Africa" <imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 7:15 AM
> Subject: Re: [Imc-africa] Gilberto's mail
>
>
>> hi Gilberto! Nice to read from you on the list in the way you did write
> it.
>> I got your "one email" which you prefered to call emailS on your mail
> below. I'm
>>  spending less time online now as I'm on a little break , i needed a
>> break
> from
>> the whole stress of the conference that is why i did not respond till
>> now
> to
>> your mail.
>>
>> You wrote asking me to refund the VISA FEE you paid for your visa.
> Probably
>> becuase you read on the list that we paid visa fee for John and Grace.
>> But
>> Gilberto this is abit insensitive on your part everyone on this list
>> even
> at
>> this point knows that we just squeezed ourselves through the conference.
> That I
>> still have a telephone bill of 204,94 EUR plus the last one that just
> arrived
>> 55EUR which cannot be paid.
>>
>> In you are asking for visa fee becuase you read that the group from
>> Kenya
> had
>> visa fee, it is to say the list very sad. Frank and Jean paid their own
> visa
>> fees too.
>> John and Grace were send visa fees becuase they explained that they
>> could
> not
>> afford it at the time even then they still had to add some money to make
> up the
>> visa sum.
>>
>> You got money for transit which probably Jean could have asked same if
>> it
> is to
>> read mails on this list and ask for similar services. You conplained
>> about
> the
>> $248 you paid to change your ticket while there were some funds you
>> where
>> refunded the money.
>>
>> I've read your mail and the others mails of complains about what was
> offered.
>> All i can say and will surely say when I'm over with my break and will
> have to
>> write a  report for the IMC-network on the Dakar-Conference is the
> following:-
>> That all activists in indymedia do what they do from conviction and are
> not paid
>>  a salary for, including all the energies put to make this conference in
> Dakar
>> happen.
>> It means at least one needs everyone saying they are participating to
>> show
> a
>> certain degree of commitment to the project. Thus acquiant themselves
>> with
> the
>> information avaliable and try to take some initiative.
>>
>> I hope in the next conference, IF EVERTHERE IS GOING TO BE ANOTHER that
>> we
> can
>> get information of how many people will come and how many people will
> share a
>> house, exact sleeping possiblities  and other stuff  and inform groups
> before
>> hand so that any group which thinks the conditions are below their
>> minimum
>> standard can just simply say they cannot participate.
>>
>> Gilberto,
>> Write an email to this list asking for your visa and that will be
>> included
> in
>> the conference final report for the IMC-network; and if any other
> activists are
>> interest in raising funds to cover left over bills from the conference
> they'll
>> consider that too like one of the standing bills from the conference.
>> And
> if
>> they raise the money they can send it to you.
>> Sphinx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Quoting Gilberto Neto <gilneto at netangola.com>:
>>
>> > Hi Grace and everyone
>> >
>> > Sorry for the delayed reply.
>> >
>> > I had a safe trip back home, thanks. As Glenda said, we flew together
> from
>> > Dakar to Lisbon. I'm now fully back to work but planning another trip
> around
>> > Africa. I terribly miss everybody, especially you Grace, because of
> tears! I
>> > won't definitely forget the wonderful time we spent all together
>> during
> the
>> > Conference.
>> >
>> > On the other hand, I won't forget the last hours I had in Dakar,
>> moving
> place
>> > to place with all my stuff because, well I believe you know why. And I
> will
>> > always remember the fact that we were lodged in such conditions -
> actually I
>> > didn't care about sleeping in a sofa or on the flour, as that was a
> grate
>> > experience. What drove me really pissed off - a part of becoming
>> almost
> a
>> > "homeless-Angolan- in- Dakar-for-some-hours" - was the fact that for
> three or
>> > four times I had to wake up and leave the room due the "toxic" smoke
> some Bob
>> > Marley followers would spread all around the room.
>> >
>> > Also, there is the fact that I wasn't refund some money I spent to
> attend the
>> > conference. The result of emails sent to Germany has been a total
> silence.
>> >
>> > That's life, that's not the end of the world anyway. The most
>> important
> was
>> > the fact that I learnt so the Indymedia process here is moving faster.
>> >
>> > Tell me about your life and job Grace. And you bro John, how's my
> compatriot
>> > Vladimir Russo?
>> >
>> > Frank - are you out there? Is Paul Biya still getting out his palace
> with the
>> > entire army?
>> >
>> > I think that we should communicate more and find a way to bring Jean
>> on
> the
>> > debate.
>> >
>> > Rafael - Have you found anybody who was locked up? I'm planning to
>> write
> the
>> > story soon.
>> >
>> > Glenda - Pls keep me posted about the projects
>> >
>> > Daniel - that program to send secret emails is not included on the CD
>> I
> was
>> > given. Can you help me?
>> >
>> > Best,
>> >
>> > Gilberto Neto
>> > (244 2) 446 829- Redacção/Newsroom
>> > (244 2) 432 333- Casa/Home
>> > (244) 915 16776-Celular/Cell
>> > gilneto at netangola.com
>> > Luanda-Angola
>> >
>> >   ----- Original Message -----
>> >   From: Grace Waita
>> >   To: African IMCs and the imc project in Africa
>> >   Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:54 AM
>> >   Subject: Re: [Imc-africa] XIBAR
>> >
>> >
>> >   Attention Frank,
>> >   The above refers, please do the needful,that is,  TRANSLATE.
>> >   Thanks in advance, God bless you plus all the others too.
>> >   P.S  I travel to Mombasa tomorrow,Godwilling.
>> >   GILBERTO: R U IN ANGOLA?
>> >   CHRISTI: DID YOU ARRIVE WELL?
>> >   GLENDA: THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM WORKING ON SOMETHING,WILL LET YOU
> KNOW
>> > ASAP.
>> >
>> >   Bye.
>> >
>> >   Grace.
>> >
>> >   Win an evening with the Indian cricket captain: Yahoo! India Promos.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>> but for fate we could have been one another
>>
>>
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