[Imc-africa] Gilberto's mail

Sun Apr 11 05:03:14 PDT 2004

I have read more and more horrifying each time the
rudeness of YOU VdaALENTINE.
YOUR ARROGANCE JUST HAS TO STOP.
if any one needs to account it is you.

Perhaps that is the brunt of your response. YOUR LACK
OF TRANSPARENCY AND YOUR OWN AGENDA.

YOUR NERVES, YOUR TELEPHONE BILL AND SO ON....Enough I
will find a way to ask the indymedia to ask for an
audit of your behavour.....

Glen
--- sphinx <sphinx at indymedia.org> wrote:
> Hello Gilberto! This conference if you noticed have
> seriously ruined my nerves. 
> You sure remember you telling me to cool down while
> I shouted on the phone out
> of frustration from the whole thing, Well that is my
> problem. I still cannot
> affort a long email on this topic so I'll go down to
> the question raised in your
> mail.   
> below is a copy of 2 emails; 
> 1-The mail I wrote to you in reply to your complain 
> about extra bills(ticket
> change and Lisbon transit pocket money).
> 2-The mail you wrote to me after the conference on
> getting back to Luanda.
> 
> You'll notice the following that made me very angry
> and wrote the way I did on 
> recieving the mail you sent to the African list from
> Luanda after the conference:
> The mail(#2 bellow) you sent to me privately from
> Luanda, which you mentioned in
> the mail to the african list, talks about VISA
> EXPENSES, which was NOT the topic
> in the earlier communication between us. Next when
> you decided to write to the
> indymedia list about the VISA EXPENSES you did not
> call it VISA EXPENSES you
> called it "some money YOU spent to attend the
> conference", which could easily
> give a completely different impression from what it
> was(visa expenses).
> 
> In my mail(#1) to you here below as well as your
> mail under it which I was
> replying , it was a talk about EXTRA COST FOR
> CHANGING YOUR TICKET AND POCKET
> MONEY FOR THE LONG HOURS TO BE SPENT ON TRANSIT IN
> LISBON. Which I promised to
> send to you, that is 284Dolars(ticket extra-charges)
> and 50 EUROS for the transit. 
> 284 US DOLLAR plus 50 EUROS in gives 245EUROS. I had
> had the people at the bank
>   do the callculations then. if I can remember very
> well the exchange rate Euro
>  to Dollar then was 0.8. I equally remember that the
> bank used about the same
> rate to convert the money donates in Dollars from
> the US to the conference papal
>   account.  So as to the question if I  "Are AM sure
> I paid me
> for  the transit?" , THE ANSWER IS AN ABSOLUTE YES!!
> 
> 
> And to your present mail it is sad you decide to
> make it sound as if I decided
> to change the date of your flight, despite the fact
> that we talked that over the
> phone. That the only flight with a place for you
> that will make you be in Dakar
> for conference was 5th March according to the lady
> at the flight agency here.
>  And I accepted that flight as the foundation needed
> to pay for all the tickets
> the tickets at once. Then you started complaining
> about the fact that you got
> exams and an important appointments in Luanda on the
> 6th and that you cannot
> travel bofore the 6th. Added to that you did not
> pick the ticket early enough
> which you sure know could have taken off the
> pressure of changing the date at
> the last moment.
> 
> I would rather ask if you think it is the same thing
> to say "VISA  EXPENSES" to
> me and EXTRA EXPENSES to the list when writing of
> the same expenses. And to say
> I agreed to reimborse you VISA EXPENSES which never
> at any time were a
> discussion between us, Especially when your mail on
> visa expenses shows it COULD
> NOT be some misunderstnading of our previous
> discussions, as we had
> figures(248Dollars and 50EU) in our talk about extra
> expenses and your
> visa-expenses-mail you had an entirely new
> bill(30Dollars).
>    
> Valentine 
> 
> 
> 1.MAIL FROM ME TO YOU ABOUT THE EXTRA COST AND STOP
> IN LISBON PLUS YOUR MAIL ON
> THE SAME
> 
> Date:   	Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:08:47 +0000
> From:  	vally_x at .....
> To:  	Gilberto Neto <gilneto at netangola.com>
> Subject:  	Re: trip
> 
> Dear Gilberto, this is good news about the visa and
> the ticket.
> About the $248  it is unfortunate that we have to
> get all this subsidary cost
> . I'll pay it from the Conference funds. I just hope
> the comrades from South
> Africa get a ticket that provides space for their
> ticket not to be short in the end.
> 
> I'll make provision that you get 50 RURs as money
> for your stay in Lisbon.
> 
> May be I should say if we had more money, I would
> have given you more.
> Appart from the organisation that paid your ticket
> and the ticket of 5 other
> african delegates for the conference we had just
> 2800EUR for the conference.
> >From which we have to pay one ticket from Kenya and
> one from South Africa. The
> rest is going to pay for the Appartment where all of
> you will be lodged.
> Food during the conference, some equipment, taxi to
> pick you from the airport on
> arrival. And the telephone bill of organising-which
> we are still waiting from
> the  D-telecom. So understand it is not like we have
> money. If we did have money
> we could have paid tickets and all these stuff alot
> earlier.
> When you get to Dakar Daniel who is flying from
> Germany will give you the 50
> EUROS and the equivalent of $248 in Euros.
> 
> Sphinx
> 
> . I got the ticket withe the right name and changed
> the date to March 7th.
> . I had to pay $248 fine so wonder if you´d refund
> it. I´d have to spend
> . overnight in Lisbon.
> . Would you refund the money I´d spend there too?
> I´ll be using a passport
> . that doesn´t require a visa to get out the airport
> if necessary be.
> . The visa´s ready tomorrow only. I had to change
> the date with TAP because
> . the consulate
> . ensured me about tomorrow.
> 
> . Gilberto
> 
> 2.YOUR MAIL ABOUT THE 30$ dolars EXPENSES
> Date:   	Sun, 21 Mar 2004 04:59:11 -0800
> From:  	Gilberto Neto <gilneto at netangola.com>
> To:  	vally_x at nadir.org
> Subject:  	[No Subject]
> 
> Hi Valentine
> I hope you are doin fine as well as your work for
> Indymedia. Emailing to say
> that I wasn´t refund the money I spent for the visa
> here in Luanda ($30) and
> in Lisbon in transit ($75) to Dakar. I expected to
> get it during the
> conference but I was only given the amount I spent
> for postponing the flight
> (245 rather than 248 euros). So wonder when I will
> get this money because,
> to be honest, I borrowed from a friend.
> Best,
> 
> Gilberto Neto
> 
> 3. YOUR EMAIL TO THE AFRICAN LIST CAN BE READ HERE:
>
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-africa/2004-March/000324.html
> 
> 
> 
> ---------------------------------------------------
> Quoting Gilberto Neto <gilneto at netangola.com>:
> 
> > Hi Valentine
> > 
> > I hope your fine.
> > 
> > That´s interesting your rude reply. I wonder why
> you talk to me like that.
> > I
> > just can´t understand why.
> > 
> > First, I raised this question because you agreed
> to refund me this money
> > when I asked you before I leave to Dakar.
> > Do you remember? I told you that I could not
> effort all these expenses -
> > including the money I´d have to spend in Lisbon as
> I´d have to stay there
> > almost an entire day for the connecting flight
> (Are you sure you paid me
> 
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