[Imc-africa] Re: [IMC-Process] update and translation of IMC hand book

libertino at riseup.net libertino at riseup.net
Mon Apr 19 12:01:28 PDT 2004 

yes wait for more collective opinions 

voy a tratar que se discuta en uruguay, next week

Me propongo para participar de un equipo que recicle las preguntas frecuentes.



"pinche jurepas siempre armando bolonqui"
China Zorrilla

Liber Tinus-----
Indimedia Uruguai


Mensaje citado por libby <libbylibby at skynet.be>:

| Hello Everybody,
| 
| I'd just likte to put in my two cents worth on this  issue
| 
| Firt of all, wouldn't it be a better idea to use the translations that 
| are allready on the wiki and more up to date then start translating the 
| outdated info in the book?
| I don't see the point in putting time and effort in the translation of  
| the info that was originally on newimc.indymedia.org (which has recently 
| be replaced with links to the wiki because it was so outdated)
| Ok, the damage on the english version has been done,I suppose that 
| cannot be changed anymore, but there is no need to repeat it in other 
| languages.
| 
| Next, this project was originally presented as "compiling a small 
| brochure" for limited distribution and internal use at the Dakar 
| conference. Somwere along the way one or a few person(s) decided to make 
| it into a book (to be spread wider) with an author/publisher without 
| seeking consensus about it with the whole network.
| 
| Once it got to this point it would only have been fair to annouce the 
| plan of a book that was gonna be printed and have the editor/author be 
| Indymedia with as content the new imc process to the new imc list, so 
| people actually envolved in getting new imc's on their feet could have 
| been envolved. I am sure newimc volunteers would have been willing to 
| help out and the book would have been up to date.
| 
| It would also have been better if  it had been annouced on the process 
| list, requesting consensus on having a book published with "Indymedia" 
| as author/publisher. This is not a decision that can be made by one 
| person, a small group of people or just one collective, that is a 
| decision that should give every imc in the network the chance to be 
| envolved in the decision making process, i believe that is how it 
| usually works.
| 
| In itself it was a great initiative, but the result is that now there is 
| a book outthere, a recent book, by Indymedia with totally outdated 
| information, which i'm affraid makes the whole network look like a bunch 
| of amateurs that  cannot do any better than publish outdated (so false) 
| information about something as basic as how to join the network.
| 
| 
| In solidarity,
| 
| 
| Libby
| 
| valentine V eben wrote:
| 
| >Hi all!  from our discussion in January and Febuary in process and continued
| in print we did print the handbook materials as was proposed and amended.
| >For those who are new to process and print, this handbook is an attempt at
| producing a hardcopy of http://newimc.indymedia.org, of course including the
| updated text from the twiki pages. The idea is to provide a print version of
| what indymedia is-internal processes and how to be involved.
| >IMC-UC covered the cost of the first printing.
| >
| >TRANSLATION AND DISTRIBUTION
| >Presently there is a discussion with UCIMC(IGAP) and Seattle IMC(GSF) on
| translation and more distribution.
| >Dri from imc-Brasil is trying to coordinate translation.
| >At the moment it seems Mike from schNEWS is also into  translation into
| spanish. Sherri is talking with 
| >Luz from imc-Chiapas she too may be into assisting with the  spanish
| translation. Dri will surely be taking charge of portuguese translation. 
| >We need more people to help with translation in other languages. We also
| need to discuss about how to handle distribution especially for those who are
| trying to organise imcs in areas without much online access. Again the place
| for this is imc-print at lists.indymedia.org
| >
| >PROPOSALS FOR UPDATING THE FIRST EDITION
| >-1.)There have been a proposal to update the documentation to included the
| recent changes that came into place since the womyn proposal. Which includes
| changes on the application form. There was a discussion to have the womyn
| proposal be included in membership Criteria and or in Principles of unity. If
| there is any other place other than the link below where this proposal have
| been included in the  
| >network documentation please mail the link to imc-print.
| >-2.) There was also the proposal to include a small introduction/howto on
| twiki in future editions of the book.
| >-3.)There was the proposal to include what mainstream media say about
| indymedia in the next edition.
| >Please we are inviting people to take a while and look at the book as it is
| and to join the discussion on changes and improvements need in the next
| editions, in imc-print. 
| >
| >
| >DISCUSSIONS SINCE THE PRINTING OF THE FIRST EDITION
| >Some activists have complained that thought the book contains material from
| indymedia online resources put together as a printed version of the network
| online documentation IT IS NOT CORRECT TO HAVE WRITTEN ON THE BOOK
| > PRINTED BY INDYMEDIA. The activists in question think that though there was
| a presentation to process and a discussion in print, it was all about the
| content. That this presentation did not make clear that it will be written on
| the book "published by indymedia" though the content is a print version of
| indymedia online text. The point was that it gives the book too much
| authority, that such a decision  needed to be arrived at from a network
| consensus.
| >The other side of the argument is that writing on the book that it was
| published by indymedia was to give credit for the book where it
| belongs-indymedia network, which have right to the content on
| http://newimc.indymedia.org.
| >Well I'll ask that you take time off and read atleast the introduction page
| of the book in the link below and give your opinion what you think on this
| issue preferable in process. 
| >
| >
| >-Links to download book
| >http://www.hedonistpress.com/indymedia/    
|
>http://docs.indymedia.org/twiki/pub/Global/FirstEditionOfINDYMEDIAHANDBOOK/v1.1.pdf
| >-Link to page for book translation 
| >http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FirstEditionOfINDYMEDIAHANDBOOK
| >-link to newimc form including womyn proposal
| >http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewIMCForm
| >-link tp what mainstream media say about indymedia
| >http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/StoriesAboutIndymedia
| >
| >
| >
| >--------- Original Message ---------
| >
| >DATE: Sun, 18 Apr 2004 10:47:42
| >From: "dri" <dri at indymedia.org>
| >To: imc-print at lists.indymedia.org
| >Cc: 
| >
| >  
| >
| >>oi,
| >>
| >>since the discussion about the imc book is going on here i felt i should
| >>subscribe to get involved and check the status of the project.
| >>
| >>i added a link to some ideas about trasnlations into other languages
| here:
| >>
| >>http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FirstEditionOfINDYMEDIAHANDBOOK
| >>
| >>for those who don't know me, i'm a olunteer of imc brazil, involved in
| the
| >>indy world since june 2001.
| >>
| >>peace,
| >>
| >>dri
| >>    
| >>
| >
| >
| >
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