[Imc-africa] Gilberto's mail

[Glenda Loebell]

Dear Gilberto
I trust you are well and that the experience in South
Africa was a rich and reward one.

There is a discussion on the email/imc african list re
the "so called indymedia booklet" as one of its first
users it was my suggestions that we get feedback from
the delegates to the Dakar conference as to the
practical use and usefulness of this instrument....my
experience and witht the feedback of the forming
senegal group there may very well be some merit in
constructive feedback.
However my emails are not being included in the
discussion no doubt to block the idea would not be in
the interest of those pushing the idea..... I find
this all undemocratic....

NeBe

We as "first users" have the right and obligation to
constructively evaluate the content and the its
feasability....
--- gilneto at netangola.com wrote:
> Hi Sphinx
> 
> I'm sure you are ok. Emailing just to say that I
> will respond properly later as 
> I have to rush.The elections took place already here
> in SA but have to look to 
> a couple of other things. But I have time to say
> that I'm deeply disappointed.
> 
> chao,
> 
> Gilberto
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting sphinx <sphinx at indymedia.org>:
> 
> > Hello Gilberto! This conference if you noticed
> have seriously ruined my
> > nerves. 
> > You sure remember you telling me to cool down
> while I shouted on the phone
> > out
> > of frustration from the whole thing, Well that is
> my problem. I still
> > cannot
> > affort a long email on this topic so I'll go down
> to the question raised in
> > your
> > mail.   
> > below is a copy of 2 emails; 
> > 1-The mail I wrote to you in reply to your
> complain  about extra
> > bills(ticket
> > change and Lisbon transit pocket money).
> > 2-The mail you wrote to me after the conference on
> getting back to Luanda.
> > 
> > You'll notice the following that made me very
> angry and wrote the way I did
> > on 
> > recieving the mail you sent to the African list
> from Luanda after the
> > conference:
> > The mail(#2 bellow) you sent to me privately from
> Luanda, which you mentioned
> > in
> > the mail to the african list, talks about VISA
> EXPENSES, which was NOT the
> > topic
> > in the earlier communication between us. Next when
> you decided to write to
> > the
> > indymedia list about the VISA EXPENSES you did not
> call it VISA EXPENSES
> > you
> > called it "some money YOU spent to attend the
> conference", which could
> > easily
> > give a completely different impression from what
> it was(visa expenses).
> > 
> > In my mail(#1) to you here below as well as your
> mail under it which I was
> > replying , it was a talk about EXTRA COST FOR
> CHANGING YOUR TICKET AND
> > POCKET
> > MONEY FOR THE LONG HOURS TO BE SPENT ON TRANSIT IN
> LISBON. Which I promised
> > to
> > send to you, that is 284Dolars(ticket
> extra-charges) and 50 EUROS for the
> > transit. 
> > 284 US DOLLAR plus 50 EUROS in gives 245EUROS. I
> had had the people at the
> > bank
> >   do the callculations then. if I can remember
> very well the exchange rate
> > Euro
> >  to Dollar then was 0.8. I equally remember that
> the bank used about the
> > same
> > rate to convert the money donates in Dollars from
> the US to the conference
> > papal
> >   account.  So as to the question if I  "Are AM
> sure I paid me
> > for  the transit?" , THE ANSWER IS AN ABSOLUTE
> YES!! 
> > 
> > And to your present mail it is sad you decide to
> make it sound as if I
> > decided
> > to change the date of your flight, despite the
> fact that we talked that over
> > the
> > phone. That the only flight with a place for you
> that will make you be in
> > Dakar
> > for conference was 5th March according to the lady
> at the flight agency
> > here.
> >  And I accepted that flight as the foundation
> needed to pay for all the
> > tickets
> > the tickets at once. Then you started complaining
> about the fact that you
> > got
> > exams and an important appointments in Luanda on
> the 6th and that you
> > cannot
> > travel bofore the 6th. Added to that you did not
> pick the ticket early
> > enough
> > which you sure know could have taken off the
> pressure of changing the date
> > at
> > the last moment.
> > 
> > I would rather ask if you think it is the same
> thing to say "VISA  EXPENSES"
> > to
> > me and EXTRA EXPENSES to the list when writing of
> the same expenses. And to
> > say
> > I agreed to reimborse you VISA EXPENSES which
> never at any time were a
> > discussion between us, Especially when your mail
> on visa expenses shows it
> > COULD
> > NOT be some misunderstnading of our previous
> discussions, as we had
> > figures(248Dollars and 50EU) in our talk about
> extra expenses and your
> > visa-expenses-mail you had an entirely new
> bill(30Dollars).
> >    
> > Valentine 
> > 
> > 
> > 1.MAIL FROM ME TO YOU ABOUT THE EXTRA COST AND
> STOP IN LISBON PLUS YOUR MAIL
> > ON
> > THE SAME
> > 
> > Date:   	Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:08:47 +0000
> > From:  	vally_x at .....
> > To:  	Gilberto Neto <gilneto at netangola.com>
> > Subject:  	Re: trip
> > 
> > Dear Gilberto, this is good news about the visa
> and the ticket.
> > About the $248  it is unfortunate that we have to
> get all this subsidary
> > cost
> > . I'll pay it from the Conference funds. I just
> hope the comrades from
> > South
> > Africa get a ticket that provides space for their
> ticket not to be short in
> > the end.
> > 
> > I'll make provision that you get 50 RURs as money
> for your stay in Lisbon.
> > 
> > May be I should say if we had more money, I would
> have given you more.
> > Appart from the organisation that paid your ticket
> and the ticket of 5
> > other
> > african delegates for the conference we had just
> 2800EUR for the
> > conference.
> > From which we have to pay one ticket from Kenya
> and one from South Africa.
> > The
> > rest is going to pay for the Appartment where all
> of you will be lodged.
> > Food during the conference, some equipment, taxi
> to pick you from the airport
> > on
> > arrival. And the telephone bill of
> organising-which we are still waiting
> > from
> > the  D-telecom. So understand it is not like we
> have money. If we did have
> > money
> > we could have paid tickets and all these stuff
> alot earlier.
> > When you get to Dakar Daniel who is flying from
> Germany will give you the
> > 50
> > EUROS and the equivalent of $248 in Euros.
> > 
> > Sphinx
> > 
> > . I got the ticket withe the right name and
> changed the date to March 7th.
> > . I had to pay $248 fine so wonder if you´d refund
> it. I´d have to spend
> > . overnight in Lisbon.
> 
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