[Imc-africa] Re: Re: [Imc-finance] Proposal 2004-B Dakar Conference request 7551$

[sphinx]

Hello Jay, Joeri and all in imc-finance! I'm sorry for the lateness. I think 
the discussion has been fine this far. About the Date Joeri, I think an earlier 
date could have been better to permit space for the visa process but if that 
will disrupt imc-finance process then one just have to risk 18 Feb. In anycase 
one just have to hope all works-out with visa and space in flights.
Joeri as of altimate dateline, I cannot be absolutely sure becuase the 
Senegalese Consolates(especially those in africa) have not been able to say 
exactly how long it will take for them to process visas. Thus one is just 
hoping that as of now that should be quick. 
My regards
Sphinx

Quoting Joeri <joeri at indymedia.org>:

> Correction of the proposal: it is 7551 USD (i made a currency mistake)
> 
> Joeri wrote:
> 
> > Posted: 4th of feb '04
> > discussion period 4-18 feb (but i'll ask sphinx what (s)he thinks 
> > about deadline)
> > Decision deadline 18th of Feb
> >
> > Jay: i guess the process is still the same as about a year ago; and i 
> > agree on the proposal
> >
> > Sphinx: what is the ultimate deadline for getting in that money
> >
> > the proposal will be send to translationtool for spanish and french in 
> > a minute
> >
> > greets
> > joeri
> >
> > Jay wrote:
> >
> >> Hi imc-finance (and imc-africa by cc),
> >>
> >> This is Jay from IMC Philadelphia.  Some of you may know me, others 
> >> may not.  Hello to everyone.
> >>
> >> I've recently started to support imc-africa group in its attempt to 
> >> raise some money to support the travel of African delegates to the 
> >> upcoming conference in Senegal.  I haven't been on imc-fiance for a 
> >> while, but I understand Sphinx sent a request for funds.  I also have 
> >> seen Joeri's below reply asking for clarification and expressing some 
> >> concern about the amount of money requested.
> >>
> >> I e-mailed imc-africa with the below idea a few days ago and haven't 
> >> heard any dissent.  I don't know the current process on imc-finance 
> >> but I would love for someone who does to help work this into a 
> >> proposal.  Plus, we need to act on this SOON.  The conference is 
> >> scheduled for March 1-14 and I'm pretty sure most delegates will have 
> >> to get visas, or at least make plane reservations as soon as possible.
> >>
> >> Here's the idea.  Right now imc-africa has a great list of delegates 
> >> intending to come from around Africa.  Some IMCs, even forming IMCs, 
> >> are interested in sending more than one, which is great . . . and 
> >> expensive.  I think we all should do our best to get at least one 
> >> person from each IMC to be able to come to Senegal.
> >>
> >> What do people on imc-finance think of imc-africa asking formally for 
> >> enough money to get at least one person from each of the interested 
> >> IMC groups to get to the conference?  Then we could have a firm, more 
> >> manageable amount.
> >>
> >> That would be, according to Sphinx's estimates:
> >>
> >> 1from South Africa  = 877 Euro
> >> 1 from Ambazonia =   750 Euro
> >> 1 from Congo =         1200 Euro
> >> 1 from Angola =        1100  Euro
> >> 1 from Kenya =          1100 Euro
> >> 1 from Madiaq =            450 Euro
> >>
> >> Total:   5477 Euro
> >>
> >> Plus, 533 Euro to help pay for expenses in Senegal.  Total = 6000 Euro.
> >>
> >> If imc-finance would release 6000 Euro to pay for the tickets that 
> >> will assure the conference will have representation from at least 6 
> >> African IMCs, plus Senegal.  That will be a great stride forward for 
> >> African indymedia organizing!
> >>
> >> As for the fear from imc-finance that imc-africa is asking for too 
> >> much, perhaps imc-africa can pay back imc-finance "33 cents on the 
> >> dollar."  Meaning, if imc-africa independently raises 9,000 Euro 
> >> toward the conference, they'll pay imc-finance back 3000 Euro of what 
> >> they lent.  If they raise 15000 Euro they'll pay back 5000 Euro.  In 
> >> other words, imc-finance will be able to assure some level of success 
> >> at an essential Indymedia conference but at the same time we will all 
> >> make sure imc-finance doesn't have to be afraid imc-africa will drain 
> >> all its money.
> >>
> >> How does this sound?
> >>
> >> Jay
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> At 1/30/2004, Joeri wrote:
> >>
> >>> hey,
> >>>
> >>> sorry to only reply this late
> >>>
> >>> i think it's needed to be more specific about the amount of money; i 
> >>> know it's difficult to give an exact amount as you're still very 
> >>> busy in fundraising, but for us it's even more difficult to set an 
> >>> amount (therefore i didn't set it as a proposal yet)
> >>>
> >>> as on new year's day (this is the latest info i received) our bank 
> >>> balance contained $21,679.15, but with still some donations to 
> >>> process (at least $5,654),
> >>> giving the biggest part of the needed money for the project would 
> >>> have big consequences for imc-finance (altough i think this 
> >>> conference is really important and i think it's very important that 
> >>> we help getting the money together if needed)
> >>>
> >>> so i suggest to (if possible) try to get an idea of the amount still 
> >>> needed, so we can put it in a proposal for finance
> >>>
> >>> other ideas on this?
> >>>
> >>> greets
> >>> sorry for the delay
> >>> joeri