[Imc-africa] clarification-moderator sending program

Wed Mar 3 06:32:11 PST 2004

Hello NeBe! I read your last email just now and got an idea where Ofege got the
idea of having to pay 1000 Dollars. Well the mail raised somany issues that I
hope I can afford the time to respond to. 
I also think responding to all the issues in one mail will cost even more
confussing. Thus I'll repond in a couple of emails. 

There is no moderator not sending the program you sent to the list. The are
officially two administrators to this lists whose job is to support the list
from a technical perspectvie and not moderate. Every mail sent by someone on
this list goes direct to the list.

In the first mail you got when you where registered in the list you got
information how to check if your mail gets any trouble.
If you had checked you would have seen that the program refused to send 
your mail with program through the list becuase it had more than the 
allowed Kilobytes for this list.

Quoting Glenda Loebell <glloebell at yahoo.com>:

> Hello All
> >From warm Senegal, the African sun just massages the
> skin with warmth not known in Europe.
> Today a day of rest because Mohamod has a birthday all
> services closed down.
> A good time to review what has happen for the last
> week in terms of preparing the conference from this
> side.
> Thanks to Vally for his and others contribution to
> getting the money for the African delegation.
> We have  been asked why 3 people from Cameroon and 1
> from Kenya and with no inclusion from South Africa
> with further uncertainty of finance for this group.
> Who has been making the decisions and how has the
> decisions been made.
> The small swiss group have been asked how they have
> been able to pay for the rsourses-for example the 
> telephone, payment for the use of the hall for the
> introduction and socialising, computer rooms for
> workshops a left journalist union in Switzerland
> contributed Sfr.4000 to set up logistics. Iniatially
> it was to provide resourses down here but since
> research was made before we left and with further
> negotiation that we could and will use the money to
> pay for access and logistics, it is  evident that
> there is an unlimited amount of computers and internet
> access all over Senegal-Dakar however  it comes at a
> cost.
> One pays for everything.
> to use a computer at the university cost 150 Senegal
> francs per hour outside on the campus it cost 250 &
> 350 per hour.
> Telephone cost are high and to use most telephones one
> has to pay or load up before costing 10,000 for just
> one call to Germany so cost are not low even by swiss
> standards. 
> I am here with my own swiss money for my private
> expenses. 
> To expect to come here without money is but pipe
> dream. 
> We cannot even expect people who are most hospital to
> host any of us or our activities without financial
> contribution. 
> This is the reality of Africa I know it I am a African
> from South Africa and with much experience of having
> visited many african countries over the last 20 years.
> >From the university to Aziz's house cost Senegal
> francs 800. A meal cost 3000 cheap, a beer and cool
> drink 800
> Aziz who is warm and hospitable only has a basic but
> lovely home which he most graciously has opened to us
> for two meetings and has agreed to give up his bed to
> Chrissie and Andrea, also to have us all over for a
> traditional Senegal  meal  of fish and rice on
> Saturday night to encourage friendship.
> We all meet tomorrow at the university auditorum 13:00
> to 14:00 to regroup after Chrissie arrives to plan
> together for the first set of
> introductions/socialising  at the university.
> Meeting students, ngo groups and other interesting
> /interested people. Here in African and especially
> Senegal most of the activist within the community come
> from and are engaged with community based groups which
> includes NGO 's unlike Europe......?????this is a
> discussion we must have as I have understood that
> indymedia as a collective have some very clear ideas
> re NGO's.
> To answer some practical questions we here are and
> have thought through all the logistics re language and
> have engaged students who are billigual who will
> assist with translations, we have set aside a small
> budget for this service too.
> We have already had the support of Mory who have
> helped us with all our meeting who we have paid 30,000
> Senegal francs, which will help himself through paying
> his books and residence fees. He is also a member of
> the student political party on campus and wishes to
> set up an indymedia chapter. The students at this
> moment are striking for better conditions on campus.
> We have as our university contact the person in charge
> of student affairs -Mr. Diop,  who would like to
> develop for his students services on offer similar to 
> like that offered in Europe and other richer
> countries.
> We have thought through the workshop style and will be
> sharing this at the meeting tomorrow. We are hopeful
> that we have a big turn out. If this is the case three
> of us have the experience to run introductions in a
> professional but easy styled manner to include
> everybody. We have brought with us one laptop for
> taking down notes of ideas suggestions and the like,
> flip chart paper and kokis as well as small tools for
> ice breakers.
> As wa suggested we need to look at how we can learn
> from this experience for any future replications. A
> good idea perhaps the last few days we will have as a
> collective the opportunity to do a evaluation for
> ourselves.
> The question of visa fees was raised in October of
> last year but the people responsible for fund raising
> for that side of things seemed to deal with itin a
> different fashion so hence the confusion. 
> Thanks indymedia  canada we have not had an easy time
> on our arrival. Always having to understand the system
> of the people and the country and then the small Dakar
> community of the university. However after a full week
> we are slowly feeling accepted and trusted and we are
> being allowed into the various communties.
> People are always needing  to see how far we come in,
> just as many people from the north have done for
> centuries. Even if we are black.
> A proposed programme was devised in full consultaion
> with the working group here in Dakar and we hope that
> you will all add your vauable contributions.
> This seems to be blocked as the moderator has not been
> able to send it so here is a copy and paste version.
> I trust that this information supports the idea of
> transparency.
> NeBe
> 
> indymedia outreach in africa
> 
>  
> 
> Boundaries to Bridges Tour 
> 
>      4-14 March 2004 - Dakar-Senegal
> 
> Do you want to know how to use the computer to your
> benefit ?
> 
> Do you want to learn more?
> 
> Do you want to know how to get information for study
> or just for fun?  
> 
> Then come along to indymedia's instruction and
> practical workshops
> 
>  
> 
> The programme
> 
> 4-5  March Introduction
> 
> Ø Socialising and getting familiar with one another.
> 
> Ø Presentation/discussion of The history and structure
> of indymedia.
> 
> Ø Presentation/discussion on what is Alternative Media
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 7 March.
> 
> Ø imc-made films 
> 
>  
> 
> 8-12 March  Planned practical workshops
> 
> Putting own documents or articles on the internet
> Audio editing and audio streaming
> 
> Video editing and video streaming
> 
> Basics on .free-software and security
> 
> Maintaining Websites
> 
>  
> 
> 13-14 March.
> 
> Ø Media and music mix for party 
> 
> Ø Closing of Conference  and Party 
> 
> The venues: 
> 
> v Universite Cheikh Anta Diop, BRGM resource rooms
> 
> v Monaco  Plage and Voile d,Or plage ( dance, theatre
> and music)
> 
>  
> 
> For further information please contact the indymedia
> part preparation Africa team on: 221 865 00 40 Annex
> 43, room 2 Glenda or Michaela, room 8 Maureen 
> 
> Email;imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org
> 
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>    UNIVERSITE CHEIKH ANTA DIOP DE DAKAR
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