[Imc-africa] Re: SA Delegate to Dakar Conference
vally_x at nadir.org
vally_x at nadir.org
Sat Mar 6 09:57:04 PST 2004
Nicolas! It is not like we got money for each group that we can just send each
group their own amount. We have this 2800EUR-about raised during fundraising
efford for the conference, from which we wish to handle all the bills of the
conference including ticket of SA delegate and of kenya 2 group. Please go to a
travelling argency and reserve a ticket (you will not have to pay to reseve a
ticket).
Then send me the name of the delegate, cost of ticket and agency address as well
as the address of the delegate.
I can pay the ticket here and the person pick it down there.
Sphinx
Bank transfer could take a long time to arrive.
Quoting nicolas dieltiens <nicolas at red.org.za>:
>
> To Glenda and Sphinx, Peter in Cape Town and I have been discussing how it is
> we send a member of our collective to Dakar. Having already submitted my name
> as the delegate, I now find myself committed to processes here in Joburg that
> would make leaving difficult. Others have indicated their availability - but
> moving as late on this arrangement as we are, how do we ensure that we
> receive the money to book a ticket early enough for an arrival in Dakar in
> time for the conference? We don't have the funds to book the ticket ourselves
> and need the ticket costs transferred. Our account (if of help at all) is:
> Independent Media Centre, chq acc.1944177272 at Nedbank, Parktown. There'd be
> a swift code but unfortunately I don't have it. Flights leave daily from
> South Africa to Senegal so we'd be hoping for a Monday evening arrival at the
> earliest.
>
> no last gasp too late
> nicolas
>
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2004 06:55:12 -0800 (PST), African IMCs and the imc project in
> Africa <imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org> said:
> >Dear South Africa IMC
> >I am South African now living in Switzerland, have
> >been a long time activist with the long apartheid
> >struggle(1 of the founder members of the SA NGO
> >coalition with Shirley Walters -Western Cape-Gen. Sec)
> >and now continue in Switzerland with the Debt and
> >Reparation Campaign in Switzerland-The role of the
> >Swiss banks and apartheid, racism and people without
> >papers.
> >Just background.
> >
> >For just under 10 months the idea was booted in Berlin
> >by a small group of non indymedia activist who at an
> >external conference held at the Berlin university-who
> >later in the year launched a BOUNDRIES TO BRIDGES TOUR
> >- Depart Berlin October 2003 6-March 2004 Dakar. They
> >constituted a loose group, who called the conference
> >Nomantology, more or less around August/September
> >2003
> >Here people from the Ayslum Seeking organisations
> >were invited to take part on a panel discussion.
> >This included someone from VOICE and KARAVAN - Shyinx
> >being one of them.
> >Shyinx, a member of Ambozonia/English speaking
> >Cameroon IMC network-living in Germany, who is also in
> >contact with the German indymedia network agreed to
> >post the topic on the site and to open it for
> >discussion. He took over the tasks to moderate the
> >input from the Boundries to Bridges tour.
> >The Boundries to Bridges tour has at its main focus
> >the question of boarder control of people moving from
> >the north of Africa and Europe and its implications.
> >I know this as I was at the conference and in much of
> >the conference discussions directly with Shyinx.
> >
> >The whole issue of conflict seemed to have arose from
> >my perspective from the time a proposal was put
> >forward for finance.
> >
> >As Shyinx has taken on the role of co-ordinatation he
> >put together a budget that in my opinion was far to
> >unrealistic and not suffiencantly clearly detailed.
> >But we all have our individual styles, experiences or
> >lack of it.
> >To have an idea is one thing but bringing it to
> >fruitation is another.
> >The idea as I understand it, within the indymedia
> >context is a collective sharing and division of
> >labour.
> >Shyinx in reality has slogged for months on
> >maintaining this discussion and often found himself in
> >rather frustrating situations and his responses are
> >indicitive of this.
> >I think this occurred because many people were and are
> >busy and did not have the same amount of time to
> >invest in reading all the emails flying to and fro.
> >
> >The other truth, to be said about this whole project
> >is that the proper organising both at a conceptual and
> >practical level was often confused and not seperated
> >and so there always remained murky areas-which were
> >sometimes concerved as lack of transparency.
> >
> >IMC hedged on the funding, a few people contributed by
> >having parties and making small donations but not
> >anywhere near enough to cover the cost of the proposed
> >African delegates who indicated their willingness to
> >attend.
> >At first the African country's responses were
> >enthusiastic but later the discussion did come up of
> >just one delegate per country based on finance
> >
> >So Shyinx and or others sought other funder/s for the
> >flights, accommodation, transport in Dakar and meals
> >for the African delegation. How much?
> >(Unverteilung-Berlin-Germany)with what conditions.
> >I in Switzerland raised Sfr.4000-00 (comedia) with
> >clear conditions- part resourses and conference
> >logistics.
> >
> >The details being:
> >* To contact the host of the conference- University
> >Cheikh Anta Diop-our contact was Prof Aly Mbaye.
> >He has provided the following:
> >
> >* To provide the official letter of invitation for
> >the African delegates for visa purposes
> >
> >* Link to the appropiate department for official
> >hosting
> >* Hall for workshops with out computers-Introduction
> >and socialising
> >* Computer room with internet access for 30 -50
> >people at a cost per hour per computer.
> >* Access to all departments students,student bodies
> >and academic staff
> >(full list with emails available on request)
> >* Our accomadation while we set up the logistics at a
> >cost
> >
> >External:
> >* Meetings with NGO's(to include the NGO coalition)
> >working in the field-access to assess the alternative
> >media and communication, as well as access to
> >alternative resourses including community base groups
> >both urban and rural
> >(full list with emails available on request)
> >
> >* Meetings with international NGO's in the field of
> >communication to access information of the position of
> >the experience and condition as it stands in
> >Dakar-Senegal (alternative media)
> >(full list with emails available on request)
> >
> >* Meetings to co-ordinating the local contacts that
> >were made and of people who expressed an interest
> >(full list with emails available on request)
> >
> >* Meetings to co-ordinate the arriving European
> >people indymedia and non indymedia-Boundries to
> >Bridges core group,Stuttgart,Dusseldorf,Lausanne and
> >Caneries-Spain
> >(full list with emails available on request)
> >
> >* Devise and distribute flyer on campus and via
> >email
> >(full list with emails available on request)
> >
> >* Devise programme from the original posted on the
> >site and its distribution English and French
> >
> >The postion of the confernce to date is as follows:
> >
> >SEE OFFICIALLY POSTED PROGRAMME IN ENGLISH AND FRENCH
> >
> >Two sessions run per day:
> >10:00 to 12:00
> >and
> >15:00 to 17:00(a repeat of the morning)
> >Conference started inofficially on the 4 and 5th March
> >with introduction and socialising. Attended by 40
> >people
> >Run by Glenda,Maureen, Michaela with introduction of
> >Andrea, Chrissi and Julien (non indymedia except for
> >Glenda and Julien Indy CH) at first session
> >
> >At afternoon session Iken, Fabian and Sabina of
> >Boundries to Bridges participated at introduction
> >level.(they had just arrived)
> >
> >5th March 2004
> >Introduction of INDYMEDIA -History, principals and
> >booklet-summary
> >repeat sessions
> >Fabian and Julien
> >
> >7th March Boundries to Bridges tour film
> >
> >8-14th March Full content programme see programme
> >Devised from the orginal posted onto site
> >
> >Inclusion and regrouping for programme with African
> >delegates on their arrival
> >Close of conference with indy party
> >
> >
> >
> >Details of logistics outside of the conference:
> >
> >Chrissi who has the funds from Shyinx for the
> >following, for the African delegating
> >Accom finance ?
> >Food?
> >Transport to and from airport?
> >Material?
> >(printing of booklet and other) the booklet is on CD
> >in both French and English- 90 pages
> >(in my opinion far to bulky for people to read and
> >especially cumbersome for beginners -actually
> >intimidating)
> >
> >We have secured two houses-(Aziz) alongside each other
> >one for the African delegation and one for the other
> >group as we have agreed that it would be cheaper to
> >share.
> >We could mix ourselves up a bit on their arrival
> >
> >The group consists of the following:
> >
> >Fabian,Iken,Sabina-Berlin-Germany Boundries to Bridges
> >Group (non indy)
> >Andrea and Chrissi-Dusseldorf/Stuttgart-Germany(non
> >indy)
> >Julien,Maureen,Michaela
> >Glenda-Lausanne,Genf+Zurich-Switzerland(indy and non
> >indy)
> >Rafel-IMC Caneries + Elena-Friend -Spain
> >Azis-Journalist, Dapina-Video documentation -Dakar
> >(non indy)
> >Plus an extensive email network
> >(list available on request)
> >
> >Expected African delegates:
> >(what selection criterea was used,we have no idea)
> >Frank,Ofega-Cameroon-English(indymedia status?)
> >Floriebert-Congo-forming
> >Gilbert-Angola forming
> >John,Grace-Kenya IMC?
> >Jean Ntela Nkanga- Congo?
> >
> >THIS IS FOR IMC FINANCE
> >PLEASE GIVE US DETAILS SO THAT WE CAN TALK
> >
> >* We have been informed that IMC Finance has made
> >money available and I have been mandated by the group
> >to get into contact with them to establish the
> >position and how we can access some of it as the money
> >here is very tight.
> >* I have the mandate to establish a small working
> >group linking all the relevant alternative media(ngo's
> >and other) people in Senegal to the indymedia network
> >to start the volcano while the small bush fire is
> >started on the campus and in pockets outside......
> >will keep you posted
> >* we have also mooted the idea of a
> >www.africa.indymedia.org...... website open for
> >discussion
> >
> >We are all excited and await the arrival and
> >interaction with the others.
> >
> >Glenda/NeBe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Peter van Heusden <pvh at wfeet.za.net> wrote:
> >> Date sent: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:05:52 +0000
> >> From: sphinx <sphinx at indymedia.org>
> >> To: imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org,
> >> pvh at wfeet.za.net
> >> Copies to: nicolas dieltiens
> >> <nicolas at red.org.za>,
> >> southafrica at indymedia.org,
> >> imc-sa at lists.indymedia.org
> >> Subject: SA Delegate to Dakar Conference
> >>
> >> > Dear pvh and imc-Southafrica! As you probably know
> >> from all the mails I
> >> > send to your lists, before for close to 8months
> >> we've been involved in
> >> > preparing for an indymeedia regional meeting in
> >> Africa, Dakar-Senegal from
> >> > the 1st to the 14th March2004.
> >>
> >> Hello Sphinx
> >>
> >> I have seen emails about this conference on and off
> >> (the IndyMedia
> >> mailing list manager keeps throwing my email off its
> >> mailing lists,
> >> because of my over-eager spam filter). I have now
> >> read up the recent
> >> posts via the WWW archive, so I think I am up to
> >> date.
> >>
> >> As I understand it, the current situation is that
> >> funding has been
> >> secured for delegates from various places in Africa,
> >> and that a group
> >> (Michaela, Maureen and NeBe/Glenda) from Switzerland
> >> are currently in
> >> Dakar, with the Department of Economics at the
> >> University there, doing
> >> initial preparations for this meeting.
> >>
> >> I haven't had a chance to talk to the other members
> >> of the Cape Town
> >> collective yet, I'll do that tomorrow.
> >>
> >> However, I would like to state that we in Cape Town
> >> know Nicolas - he is
> >> a good comrade from the Johannesburg IndyMedia
> >> collective. I have read
> >> the exchange between yourself and him and think that
> >> you are doing him a
> >> great injustice by the way that you describe his
> >> emails... I can
> >> personally hear Nic's voice when reading those
> >> texts, his slightly ironic
> >> tone, etc. The issues he raises are not personal
> >> issues but come out of
> >> our experience as IMC-SAers.
> >>
> >> IMC-SA is weak compared to other IMCs worldwide in
> >> terms of financial
> >> resources (organising meetings in both Johannesburg
> >> and Cape Town is very
> >> tough because the average South African cannot even
> >> afford to move around
> >> their own city at will), but it is strong in terms
> >> of its members'
> >> embeddedness in social movements. We draw our
> >> membership from people
> >> engaged in broad struggles in post-Apartheid South
> >> Africa. As I said, the
> >> points Nic raise, about organising IndyMedia being
> >> something political,
> >> something not just technical, is 100%. This Senegal
> >> thing has been
> >> discussed sporadically for months, yes. But surely
> >> the low volume of
> >> emails should have said something? Clearly something
> >> is happening in
> >> Senegal, but to what purpose - us IMC-SAers remain
> >> confused.
> >>
> >> Anyway, I'll email more in the morning after
> >> discussing with other IMC-
> >> SAers.
> >>
> >> Peter
> >> --
> >> Peter van Heusden
> >> pvh at wfeet.za.net
> >> Tel: +27 (0)83 256 0457
> >>
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