[Imc-africa] A MUCH MOE THOUGHT THROUGH SERIES OF COUNTRY EXCHANGES AND CONTENT EXCHANGE +WORKSHOPS SOUTHERN AFRICAN TOUR or what ever a planning group may want to call it.

[Glenda Loebell]

I am of the opinion that those of us who feel the need
to debate the way in which the decisions was made for
the Dakar-Senegal conference should be able to do this
without the constant barrage of personalized
justification.

I agree that the histories of people should only be
posted by the people themselves.

That one person making the decisions- is in
contradiction to the principals of the indymedia
concept.
That the same person is "so called offering directives
to when and were the next conference should take place
is in my opinion also a move away from Africa(Africa
in Africa) making its own suggestions, formulating
ideas and finally carrying it out.

I would like to suggest that the idea as came up at
Dakar, an idea to have a caravan and range of
workshops(content-culture) accross the 11 southern
African countries sounded like a sound idea, if
planned with all the local groups over a longer period
of time and taking into account all the country
elements/conditions.
That Africa decides what, where, and what resources
are needed and then together we support to ensure a
well planned event. Planning for financial access can
happen from both the south and from the north- funders
who give money to the south and funders from the north
who will give funds for joint events.

We brain stormed a bit and would be willing to open up
the discussion should there be interested parties.

NICOLAS & PETER I would find it helpful to have  two
way  email to tease out some ideas.

There are a number of groups that I am in contact with
in South Africa that have an interest.

We in Switzerland(old anti apartheid movement-Debt and
reparation-campaign) would like to have a poduim
discussion to include old activist for South Africa,
church representatives who hold particular views on
reparation and very significant Swiss NGO's as they
have not been included in the 10 year celebrations in
Switzerland as it is predominately focussed on
contributions and interest of big Swiss business
ensuring future and further Swiss investments to South
Africa. We know what happen during the apartheid
regime-UBS/CREDIT SWISS, the arms and secret weapon
companies and not forgetting Wouter Basson.....one of
the very good friends of Switzerland.

Would there be an interest to hear your views.

NeBe






--- nicolas dieltiens <nicolas at red.org.za> wrote:
> 
> There was never an indication given that the
> histories of proposed delegates was to be
> scrutinised. It is disturbing that a donor was
> allowed the discretion to select delegates as though
> we should not be best placed to make such decisions.
> Donors have long determined organisational
> development of their recipients and modelled
> projects to suit their own programme objectives.
> Even the independence of indymedia is compromised in
> this beggarly way of pulling together a conference.
> 
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 20:11:40 +0000, African IMCs and
> the imc project in Africa
> <imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org> said:
> >Ofege not showing up does not in any way disturb SA
> ticket.
> >
> >I said before that the application to "umvertilung"
> included  the name of all
> >the delegates from all the countries, their
> professions and life history. 
> >I also included- "3 prsons from South Africa".
> Umvertilung chosed from the
> >entire list 5 persons they would pay tickets for.
> Five persons whom one of the
> >comrades who participated in the first stage of the
> decision of which 5persons
> >even gave a hint why those specific 5.
> >
> >-Grace was the only woman on the whole lists.
> >-Ofege was the person amongst all the delegates
> with the longest history of
> >imprisonment for carrying out his profession as a
> journalist.
> >-Floribert was even know to "Umvetilung" as they
> once had to hurrily send money
> >to DRCongo for people to help him escape from the
> regime in Kinshasa some years
> >back.
> >-Gilberto's-Angola their Radio station had won some
> award for the most
> >independent news outlet.
> >-Frank; their radio station is amongst the few in
> Cameroon that is trying to  be
> >as object as they can in the face of a brutal
> dictorial regime. 
> >
> >Of course I believe had we known abit more
> information about the SA delegates
> >(history and names) they could may be have been
> chosen by umvertilung. That I've
> >already explained on this list more than twice.
> >
> >Think of something better!     
> >
> >
> >Quoting Glenda Loebell <glloebell at yahoo.com>:
> >
> >> oh I forgot to say that so much waste of money
> has
> >> incurred due to last minute arrangements.
> >> The other incident is one of the
> delegates(Ambazonia
> >> 2nd delegate) did not pitch up even though the
> ticket
> >> was paid for and on the other hand the South
> Africans
> >> were not able to participate due to lack of
> funds.
> >> NeBe
> >-- 
> >but for fate we could have been one another
> >
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