[Imc-aotearoa-ed] Re: hidden DK's comment about periods

[clare]

On Fri, 2003-12-26 at 17:38, Danyl Strype wrote:
> Kia ora koutou,
> 
> I feel uncomfortable about male volunteers hiding things on the basis that 

> they are offensive to women - isn't that a bit vanguardist? If Clare

>  (for example) had felt it was offensive enough to hide the comment 

> (or a female reader had complained) I would support her. Maybe I am 

> being inconsistent? I don't know. 

 really, boys can hide things that are offensive to girls! just as i as
a pakeha would happily hide a racist post........it's called support!
anyone can be offended by bigotry/sexist behaviour, not just those who
are directly targeted. in fact, we ALL of us have the RESPONSIBILITY to
counter it.

nor i think we have been petty - if anything i think we have been rather
lenient with dk and patient up til now. 

i hid those dk posts in question because they where a whole bunch of
random information along the lines of 'we received your correspondence'.
highlighted notes, scanned lists of something....they weren't news in
the form he posted them in. and i really feel we've tried long and hard
enough to get dk to post in manner which is vaguely comprehensible. 

right now i am sick to death of doing ed work because all i get is
abuse. that really makes me reassess how much energy i can put into
editorial work,  i don't even feel like looking at the wire atm becuase
there will be more abuse there aimed at me. whats more, anti-queer,
anti-women abuse. that doesnt' make me, who is both those things he
hates, feel particularly great.

we are volunteers, we do this to make the world a better place not to
have shit dumped on us. of course i expect to have some abuse thrown at
me doing indymedia and activist work in general, i'm pretty thick
skinned most the time, but enough is enough!! once a person starts the
level of abuse dk has done (and *coninually* done) then sorry but i
don't feel a responisibility to the attacker, i feel a responsibility to
those he is attacking, and a responsiblity to preserve the integrety and
usefullness of the newswire.  

also, <when the code changes> i don't see why the ability to delete a
post would change the ed policy. things would still get hidden not
deleted unless we had very good reason to do so. we have just been
discussing ed policy for biotech imc , and decided to delete things like
child porn, and posts designed to eat our bandwidth, but of course
everything else still goes to the hidden section. it's good to be able
to delete things sometimes...... 

clare


> 
> I just want remind everyone (myself included) that the decision to hide other 

> people's speech on an open-publishing forum should not be taken lightly. In my 

> first attempt at being a newswire clerk I got a bit trigger-happy and others had 

> to remind me that the thrust of the editorial is (or should be) to allow everything 

> and hide only that which CANNOT (for a clear reason) be allowed to remain, not a 

> firewall approach of hiding everything except that which we approve of.
> 
> When we upgrade to DadaIMC and have the ability to delete and purge posts (can you 

> clarify what these mean in practice Finn?) as well as just hiding them this collective 

> gains the power to totally censor a poster or subject. This worries me greatly. 

> This is a huge resonsibility and we have to do everything we can to make sure we are 

> accountable and that we are SEEN to be accountable to the communities we want to use this site.
> 
> RnB,
> Strypey
> 
> Quoting YudA <kjnis at yahoo.co.nz>:
> 
> > I'm not sure how effective that would be, I'm sure DK
> > would see that as a backdown by us and he would use
> > that to justify his position. I am of the oppisite
> > opinion - any of his posts which are outside our
> > editorial policy should be hidden,  This sort of thing
> > has been tried on the international site in the past
> > an it hasn't worked
> > 
> > K
> > 
> >  --- "finn c." <finn at animal-liberation.org.nz> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I reckon that all the abusive comments on dk's posts
> > > should remain
> > > unhidden for now, so everyone knows how dodgy he is.
> > > 
> > > Seeya's
> > > finn
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 10:54:32AM +1300, mr sterile
> > > wrote:
> > > > i like to suggest this one for hidding
> > > comment#13735 as an snide abusive
> > > > slur to all women
> > > > kieran
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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