[Imc-aotearoa-ed] Re: dk letter proposal

[finn c.]

Hi,

Ok, first of all, I am getting really tired of this, and so is the
indymedia community. Whatever we do, we must do it now, not in a months
time.

> Sorry to take so long to address this but I have had other
> things on my plate. 
> 
> I'd still like to do the 'openness vs. usefullness' feature
> I suggested, I will post a proposal on the features list
> soon. I don't think we should be handing out an any final
> solutions until this the wider AIM community has had a
> chance to comment on the situation. 

Ok. When is soon? This really needs to be up in the next couple of days.

> Quoting clare <clare at animal-liberation.org.nz>:
> 
> >> this is the letter i propose we send to DK if the ed list
> approves. <<
> 
> I have rewritten this. Clare's original is here:
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-aotearoa-ed/2003-December/001122.html
> 
> I was about to write that we (ed collective) will empower
> our tech volunteers to prevent DK posting to the site. 

I can't do this, sorry. We will be able to temporarily block a poster if
we have his/her ip, but saying that we are banning someone via this method 
is taking it a bit far. The majority of the work will have to be done by
the ed collective.

> Then
> I realized we really need the consensus of the full group to
> ban someone (ed policy should also be altered accordingly
> and ratified at the next conference). I suggest that once
> the ed collective agrees on the content and wording of this
> letter it should be sent to imc-aotearoa to be discussed.

Ok, but the letter is kinda irrelevant if we are putting a feature up.

> If Don is on imc-aotearoa and if he replies to the list the
> archives will show he has been part of a discussion warning
> him to pull his head in and explaining why. If he posts
> another piece of abuse on the site after said discussion I
> think it would be fair to implement a total ban (but with a
> fixed time limit - 3-6 months?). Again I don't think it
> would be appropriate to do any of this until we have put up
> the feature and invited the broadest range of input on how
> to balance open-publishing with safety of media space.

6 months.

> I would like to reiterate the suggestion of a subedit list
> that he would still be able to post to and I personally
> volunteer to admin said list and place his postings on the
> newswire once they have been suitable subedited (meaning
> clarified, evidence attached and personal attacks removed).

Sure, put it in the feature. How do you see this working with comments?
Say for instance if he was banned, but could post articles through a
sub-edit list. Would he be able to comment through this list too? That
seems like a lot of work.  

> **************
> 
> Kia ora Don,
> 
> This email is a formal warning that if you use the
> open-publishing facilities on indymedia.org.nz (AIM) to post
> any further abusive comments, the Aotearoa Indymedia
> collective will empower our tech volunteers to prevent you
> from posting to the site.
> 
> This solution would set an unfortunate precedent and the
> decision would not be taken lightly but as well as
> facilitating free speech and discussion, AIM's stated goals
> include being a useful and safe media space for all
> activists (see points 2 and 4 of our editorial policy
> <http://www.indymedia.org.nz/edpolicy.php3>). For this to be
> achieved, postings and comments should focus criticism on
> the arguments and evidence put forward by other participants
>  in the discussion rather than using aggressive language to
> make personal criticisms of those participants. Comments and
> postings that attack indymedia volunteers or others using
> the site will not be tolerated for any reason.
> 
> Previous requests from indymedia volunteers and other AIM
> users to moderate your language and attitude have been
> ignored and we feel we are left with no other option but to
> make this your final warning.
> 
> In solidarity,
> the Aotearoa Indymedia collective
> 
> ***************

This is fine, I would alter the tech volunteers bit to:

> This email is a formal warning that if you use the                                                     
> open-publishing facilities on indymedia.org.nz (AIM) to post                                           
> any further abusive comments, the Aotearoa Indymedia                                                   
> collective will empower our tech and editorial volunteers to 
> prevent you from posting to the site.

Also, remove the 'in solidarity' bit. Aside from the fact we are not
showing him solidarity, he'll probably take it as in insult [I would].

seeya,
finn

-- 
now you guys with this animal activists rights have overstepped the line.