[Imc-aotearoa-tech] Re: [enzyme-organise] Re: Aotearoa Listserver/ webserver

[bobo at enzyme.org.nz]

I've just sent a copy of this to the indymedia tech list incase they are 
interested. They can ignore the text below the dashed line...

I have just subscribed to the following server with the following options etc:

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The price ended up being $375 using a %40 discount coupon i had for 24 months.

It practically the same price I paid with my current host but I have to pay for 
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Most of it's pretty standard. 

I am currently hosting on my other acccount about 15 websites, 8 or so of them 
public. I wanted to have my own server etc but it ended up I didn't have enough 
help from others to do it since I'm so busy so I decided just to get it from 
online. Most sites I'm hosting don't need anything special. There's the 
usual 'don't promote anything illegal' stuff. You can get reseller accounts 
also.

If anyone wants to use this account - 45gig bandwidth per month is much more 
than I need. The 1gig can be expanded. (If indymedia is still looking for 
somewhere, or wants to host some of the files here please tell me!)

The main goal of Enzyme is similar to Riseup.net except that it also has a 
specific community building aspect to it - to create a decentralised 
communication structure between all the groups so that we clean up the silly 
communication issues we all seem to have. rather than having 10 lists 
discussing similar things - it would be better to have a system were this is 
reduced and focus is created etc. 

So, if anyone is interested - please contact me. I would like to give 
riseup.net a bit of a help by taking as many aotearoa email lists and such as 
people voluntarily wish to.

I also need to think of a name for the site - something like riseup.net, 
enzyme.org.nz is just too much typing and I think will be the name of the 
collective or a community portal. kiakaha.org kinda sounds a bit weird. any 
ideas?


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The following is just for stu and anyone interested.

> >I haven't heard from you in a while, have you found anything? I've been
> very
> >busy with the www.agean.org aotearoa ge action network website and sorting 
> >out
> >the mess that is the ge free movements communication - most of the people 
> >don't
> >even use email lists but just use cc! the anarchism website is coming 
> >along too.
 
> Yes - the NZ GE communications is quite a thing huh - partly due to the way 
> the issue slowly became more popular, and also do to the non-technical 
> abilities of many participants. Interestingly, it does kind of work, 
> although there are lots of frustrations about people not getting info, or 
> getting it 7 times! Some of it also comes down to the fact that the various 
> groups aren't really in a mindset of working together, or are just too busy 
> to put the networking effort in.

Exactly! It's not just the GE movement. It's all of them. Too busy trying to do 
things the way that works for them - because its hard to find a way to work in 
a system that goes the other way - they dno't want to change, but if they just 
stood back a little bit - did a bit of organising - things would be sweet.

> There have been a few national conferences 
> that have helped a bit but it often falls back to very local initiatives. 
> To some extent we just have to work with such limitations, but certainly 
> having some good systems in place can possibly help things work better.
> An interesting idea too is that the kind of random nature of communication 
> and action sometimes works in our favour, in that it makes it clear that 
> there are a lot of disparate groups all concerned from different angles, 
> about GE and that they are willing to do different things to push the 
> issue. So attempts to tar the anti-GE thing with it being a green political 
> thing, or 'just those yobbo anti-capitalists' or just 'femo-fanatics' and 
> of course the eco-terrorist tag just don't get much play, because everyone 
> can see that its not at all clear cut.

It's good and important to have lots of perspectives. But this shouldn't mean 
having a messy communciations system. I do think people need to be able to live 
with others opinions and accept the differences and work were there are 
similarities a bit more though.
 
> Anyway, I'm wondering about what you mention about "sorting out the 
> mess..." - are you also looking at ways to deal with the comms issues on a 
> national level? We maybe crossing over a bit. My hope is to rationalise the 
> bulk of mailing list type things that have evolved, into 2 or 3 or 4 that 
> can deal with the bulk of people's information needs.

I actually replied below before this and I think I may have answered this 
below. But yes, this is my goal and I discussed it at the last national hui 
before the tent city hui and no one really seemed interested -or at least they 
said it was a nice idea but nothing really came of it. I finally got annoyed at 
this at the tent city hui and started talking about. I'm surprised we hadn't 
talked about it before. 
 
The idea of AGEAN, the AOtearoa GE ACtion Network, is that its a spokescouncil. 
I'm not sure if you know what this is - but its a communicative platform that 
runs on consensus etc etc. It has no perspectives of its own, it merely allows 
existing groups to coordinate together and have shared spaces. the idea, i 
would think, would be that the space would be open to many different 
perspectives, allow healthy debate and save on resources for many things. each 
group should keep its own autonomy and spaces etc. The only problem is, that in 
reality either people don't udnerstand this, don't have time or are confused, 
or don't want to share their space with femo-nazis and eco-ferals.

> >We already have GE email lists, what are you considering setting up? You
> will
> >find that enzyme already hosts some ge websites including the new 
> >www.agean.org
> >where we will be able to store GE videos and movies.
> 
> Mainly lists for distribution of news items and actions - there are a bunch 
> of us who have evolved cc lists or yahoo groups that mainly send such items 
> out to people, but because they are not co-ordinated, they often are 
> distributing the same item to people numerous times, or not sending to 
> other people because no one realises that person isn't on any group. 
> There's also a possibility of having a closed list that would attempt to 
> link as many of the small and large groups as possible, for information 
> that is less public. Not sure whether it would be possible to get every 
> group subscribing but it could help to keep people aware of the community 
> of GE Free groups.

Ok. We need to sort this out. It's ridiculous - there are too many email lists. 
What we need to do is sort things out and create a de-centralised pool from 
which all the groups can take what they want. This is partly the goal of 
www.agean.org. we need to find a way that this common information pool is 
either 'invisible' or so non-alligned that people don't get put off or to just 
clarify what is different -where the similarlities are and make those similar.

For example.

If there are 4 email lists, all different perspectives, they don't want to be 
associated with each other for whatever reason. if there is a 
geactions at blah.org list JUST for actions, where everyone puts what they find 
and can freely take what they find and there is a genews at blah.org that is all 
the news and everyone can freely put and take. pretend these are the common 
pools and then tehre are the 4 email lists on top of that just taking what they 
want. something like this anyway, would help stop people doing the same silly 
research.

For example - I've just got the next GE Action Update ready to send out. Well, 
90degrees has theirs, and i'm guessing your the stu from GEINFO bulleting??? - 
there are heaps of other sites too..

ANyway. If we clarify all the lists, all the roles that they play, find where 
they lap over and where they are different - use Email lists and NOT CC 
because - My oh my does that cause problems which I'm sure you know.

There's also the use of discussion forums instead of lists. Lists have issues 
and so do discussion forums. There are different places where each is better or 
not.

As for the 'insider' ge groups list -thats what will come from www.agean.org - 
this unheirarchical network was delegated at the PMEA direct action camp. We 
have create agean-organise at lists.riseup.net for those who want to help get it 
up and running (Eventually this role should be delegated, right now its just 
htose with energy), agean at lists.riseup.net is meant to be the one to discuss 
the next national target and anything relating to national level stuff. its 
meant to be for active people doing stuff. but we don't really ahve active 
groups - most of them that are invovled in pmea related stuff are waiting for 
us to choose the next target... theres some others... anyway.

agean-update at lists.riseup.net is the old GE Action Updates but sourced and 
sends its info to www.agean.org. 

etcetcetc

But it sounds like it would be good if we could work together -its obvious you 
can see the same issues that I can see and I think we can work to make it much 
clearer and better.

Bobo