[Imc-aotearoa-tech] Re: New Server for DadaIMC migration

Danyl Strype strypey at riseup.net
Mon Feb 23 11:39:34 PST 2004 

Kia ora koutou ko Bobo,

Thanks for the clarifications. Finn was looking at migrating
Brisbane Indymedia to the same server we end up moving AIM
to. Would Enzyme's system be able handle two Indymedia
sites? Again, hopefully high-bandwidth stuff like multimedia
files could be mirrored and served from Paranode for both,
reducing the load somewhat.

As well as not being able to find a willing host in
Aotearoa, one of the reasons we were cool with offshore
hosting is that it reduces the ability of cops, courts, SIS,
GCSB etc (ie the state is general) to interfere with our
hosting. Thing.net, another bandwidth co-op similiar to
RiseUp and Enzyme was crippled by losing its upstream
hosting after pressure from Dow over the Bhopal pisstake
website they hosted. This looks to be similiar to the reason
CAT have leased server space in the US. Any thoughts on
that? It's probably something that affects other
Enzyme-hosted groups as much if not more than AIM?

The figures for what AIM uses in resources is in the
archives of both imc-aotearoa and imc-aotearoa-tech in the
emails to Ahimsa and NoMasters. Finn, if you're not to busy
could you maybe post them again?

Bobo has certainly been quicker to get back to us than the
techs from NoMasters and Ahimsa and 2 years would be a good
time to revisit our hosting options - maybe by then the
IndyOceania server might be ready and could perhaps even
host Enzyme itself (combining geek resources and taking
advantage of cheap offshore bandwidth)? Pending
consideration of the issues above I'm finding Bobo's offer
quite tempting.

Thoughts?

Old hosting - once you've migrated all the Enzyme stuff to
the new host, maybe we could use this to resurrect the
DadaIMC test install Finn had on Dystopia?

RnB,
Strypey

Quoting bobo at enzyme.org.nz:

> 1. I completely agree with creating as many degrees of
> seperation that you 
> suggest. 
> 
> 2. Enzyme is a non-profit server and would most certainly
> be sympathietic to 
> your aims and ethos! It is only a collective in the sense
> that different groups 
> are being hosted on it as it has been difficult to find
> people to help with 
> Enzyme. Most time has gone into software and web
> management and design for 
> hosted sites, but when others get involved more work can
> be done on the Enzyme 
> values etc which are similar to Riseup.net. 
> 
> 3. Yes, it is being offered under Enzyme
> 
> 4. The goal of enzyme is to move to having our own server
> when the funds make 
> it is feasible. Once more people have been hosted on the
> current donated 
> account and the project gets more well known, this should
> be possible.
> 
> 5. Hosting is available immediately.
> 
> 6. You would by hosted on Enzyme's new account which has
> been paid for 2 years 
> and will be extended if it hasn't moved to its own
> server.
> 
> 7. If you tell me how much hdd space and bandwidth
> Indymedia uses I will easily 
> be able to tell you if anything actually needs to be
> donated or not. But 
> otherwise, yes, of course Enzyme would pay for all the
> costs above what is 
> donated!
> 
> 8. The old hosting is also available, but as it is only
> available for another 6 
> months, would only be useful for a temporary mirror or
> something similar. I 
> only suggested that incase it was useful in anyway as a
> secondary option.
> 
> 
> Yours,
> Bobo
> 
> 
> 
> > Kia ora koutou ko Bobo,
> > 
> > There are a number of reasons I favour moving to a
> server
> > that already hosts Indymedia sites including continuity
> of
> > service and certainty that the host is sympathetic to
> our
> > aims and ethos.
> > 
> > >From a practical angle, the more degrees of separation
> we
> > can create between us and the privatized cables that
> carry
> > internet traffic the safer we are from censorship. From
> a
> > philisophical angle, I tend to feel that working in a
> mutual
> > aid arrangement with a non-profit server collective is
> more
> > in line with our ethos than buying server space in a
> > 'digital mall'. Mind you if AIM is being offered
> hosting
> > under the banner of Enzyme and you still plan for
> Enzyme to
> > have its own server in time these are non issues.
> > 
> > Are you talking about a) your old hosting deal (using
> it up
> > till it expires) or b) a portion of your new hosting
> deal?
> > 
> > In the case of a) I don't see much point since we'd
> only
> > have to shift again when it expires. In the case of b)
> the
> > issue is cost. AIM can chew quite a lot of bandwidth
> > (although I understand having out multimedia hosted
> on
> > Paranode will help cut that back). Are you able and
> willing
> > to cover any costs over and above what we can raise in
> the
> > way of bandwidth donations? If not I would tend to
> favour
> > going with one of the US servers. 
> > 
> > To summarize, other than Bobo's offer we have been
> offered
> > hosting by Ahimsa and NoMasters. There was discussion
> of an
> > new server in Oz to host the Oceania portal and all
> the
> > Pacific Indymedia's but I suspect this may take some
> time
> > yet to establish and we could always consider doing
> another
> > migration in a year or two when it is up and running
> and
> > debugged.
> > 
> > RnB,
> > Strypey
> > 
> > Quoting bobo at enzyme.org.nz:
> > 
> > > No one has yet to reply to me - so I'll just mention
> it
> > > once more. I have an 
> > > account that you could use, 45gb per month bandwidth.
> You
> > > would have your own 
> > > setup and everything (I have a reseller account
> which
> > > means you can control 
> > > everything) - Im guessing you would like to use
> someone
> > > who is doing everything 
> > > themselves. If someone can tell me that they
> definetly
> > > don't want to use 
> > > someone with a commercial account, then I know I
> don't
> > > have to offer anymore! (-
> > > ;
> > > 
> > > bobo
> > > 
> > > > Kia ora koutou,
> > > > 
> > > > So far we have had responses from two server
> > > collectives,
> > > > Ahimsa (which hosts a number of IMCs) and
> NoMasters
> > > (which
> > > > hosts one of the Ozzie IMCs), both based in the
> USA.
> > > The
> > > > pros and cons of the different servers are going
> to
> > > be
> > > > mostly techy so unless we start to consider a
> server
> > > that
> > > > doesn't yet host an IMC I make the following
> > > suggestion:
> > > > 
> > > > I suggest that the decision-making on this be
> delegated
> > > to
> > > > imc-aotearoa-tech. The tech team's final
> recommendation
> > > can
> > > > then be emailed to this list for the record (and
> a
> > > final
> > > > chance for objections but no waiting time so we
> can
> > > start
> > > > migration work - so get in quick ;).
> > > > 
> > > > Any objections?
> > > > 
> > > > RnB,
> > > > Strypey
> > > > 
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of Windoze - or using Mozilla Thunderbird instead of Outlook
Express. Windows on PCs block viruses like windows on houses
block sunlight.

"One pound of DNA has the capacity to store more 
information than all the electronic computers ever built; 
and the computing power of a teardrop-sized DNA computer, 
using the DNA logic gates, will be more powerful than the 
world's most powerful supercomputer." 
http://computer.howstuffworks.com/dna-computer2.htm 
 
Te Komako Motuhake - http://aotearoa.indymedia.org/ 
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