[IMC-bristol] hiding zaskers posts

[mmmark]

Hello Jamie,

yes I agree with you, it is a very fine line to tread
we have to judge each case on its merits also we rely
on the judgement of those editing the site  I am not
advocating a blanket ban on anything.  

But, if its the case that a posting breaches the
editorial policy then we really have to do something
about it.  This whole thing has raised some issues
that we really need to address.  I think its obvious
to most people when a comment is made by mistake if
you like.  I reckon most of the time the poster
apologises in the thread if you like.  I think we have
a problem with people using the site and they
continually troll make inappropriate comments etc... 
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone either - this
problem runs much deeper than the comments that zaskar
contributed.  It would be good if you can make it to
the next meeting.  I'm hoping we can spend some time
discussing how to deal with the trolling and that
includes all trolling.  There are many threads in the
news wire that get derailed through this and whilst I
don't beleive its part of any greater conspiracy other
than the ego of the person posting, thinking its
clever or more likely enjoying courting controversy. 
I think this is something that also makes the site
healthy.  Lots of times these comments get dealt with
in the thread - like V did yesterday.  But how many
people does it put off using/posting?  




--- Jamie Lokier <jamie at shareable.org> wrote: > mmmark
wrote:
> > The guidelines are clear enough, if they have been
> > broken the comments should be hidden if not they
> > should remain.
> 
> Hi mmmark,
> 
> arclightfire says the commands don't "promote"
> sexism, while V says
> they do.  One way, the guidelines say to hide them,
> the other way,
> they don't.
> 
> Imho, there's a good case for saying that all use of
> blatant sexist
> language, except when it's clearly a parody of
> sexism or quoting for
> the purpose of talking _about_ sexism, promotes
> sexism.  (Same for
> racism, homophobia, xenophobia etc.)
> 
> However, that's a dangerous line to tread as it's
> extraordinarily
> difficult for some people to express themselves
> without someone else
> finding it to be offensively sexist.  It's very
> unpleasant to say
> something or do something you didn't realise was
> offensive or in any
> way a problem, only for someone to take offense and
> get you marked as
> sexist/troll - particularly if they don't indicate
> what you can change.
> 
> (I don't mean to imply that zaskar's comments are
> that innocent, but
> that a change to the editorial guidelines to codify
> all sexist
> language as being appropriate for hiding could be
> used inappropriately).
> 
> As a man, who considers myself a feminist and
> against divisive isms of
> all kinds, I find many comments by women to be
> sexist in a way that
> offends me (for example, getting lumped in with all
> men by a comment
> such as "Men!"), (as well as the usual offensive
> comments by men), but
> I don't think I'd want them silenced on a forum for
> political or
> activist opinion making.  I'd prefer the opportinity
> to explain that I
> was offended, and why.
> 
> However, given the world we're in, it's
> understandable that V may find
> some comments warrant a more direct response than
> that.
> 
> -- Jamie
>  


	
	
		
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