[CIMC-working] Channel11/CMWG endorsement, Chris, why then did you forward this?
Garth Liebhaber
garthliebhaber at hotmail.com
Mon, 30 Dec 2002 20:10:48 -0600
Chris,
Then why did you send your initial letter concerning the issue to the
listserve? Especially as Michael has pointed out that there are several IMC
affiliated people with CMWG? The logical assumption was that if these
people did not point out our policy then there was some move toward
approval. Please don't forward things without empathetic explanations. New
IMC applications are obvious and helpful to our collective psyche. The
recent letter about Guido and the STOPUSA platform means nothing to me and
adds nothing about our Channel 11 endorsement issue. Is there a specific
point I should know of in that text that you are referring to?
Of course I will find my own level of involvement, but let me point
something out. As a part of the group I try to be empathetic to the whole
and am thus responding to Doug's endeavors with the TMF/George Soross
issues. I feel the need to be supportive where need be for the health of
the organization. Burn out comes from frustration and I was letting
particularly Doug know where I was coming from so he and others would know
what type of support I could provide.
Emailing about this issue has taken up way too much time. It has been a
waste of time. Please more carefully consider what you forward. Please
don't forward things without an express purpose that you clearly state at
the top of the forward. I think the biggest reason people turn off of
listserves and the owning organization is because of too much meaningless
junk. ciao, garth
-- Forwarded Message --
hi,
I sent following on the indymedia.be-editolist,
greetings, Guido
hi,
I had to wait for one week to get connected to the Net.
So I could think about the discussions there are now about STOPUSA,
AEL-list, Han,...
1. Indymedia.be should sign the STOPUSAplatform.
I don't see why, and I don't see why the rest of the collective has to
follow the opinion from 4 or 5 people, for me it's like this persons made up
their mind and the rest has to follow or they want it or not. This is not
democratic at all.
2. The AEL-list: I have really problems that somebody of the collective
would be on a list in the elections next year. Why? Han is known from
indymedia.be, "without indymedia.be Han would be not known, was there no
Han, maybe their was no indymedia.be...". I think that if Han comes on a
list, for people indymedia.be will loose it's independency because:
>From: Chris Kaihatsu <ckaihatsu@myrealbox.com>
>To: <imc-chicago-working@indymedia.org>
>Subject: Re: [CIMC-working] ignore previous, Channel11/CMWG endorsement
>Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:58:35 -0600
>
>Garth, all,
>
>I prefer sticking to our CIMC practice of not formally endorsing other
>organizations. Of course revolutionary/progressive/activist groups are
>welcome to post on ours and other Indymedia sites.
>
>Anyone interested in these media issues should consider becoming active
>around them. I don't think Indymedia is suited to the same role that the
>CPMWG plays, though. Indymedia has been about grassroots, activist
>journalism.
>
>I welcome other CIMC participants' input -- lately it's just been Doug,
>Garth, and myself weighing in.
>
>
>Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>on 12/29/02 2:11 AM, Garth Liebhaber at garthliebhaber@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > hey all,
> > let me clarify on the Channel 11/ CMWG proposal draft. I think I
>used
> > too many pronouns. I don't know the history of the relationships with
> > channel 11 and progressive media folk around Chicago, more so
>particularly
> > the folks listed as present or potential endorsers, some of which are
>not
> > media groups but issue related groups.
> > One concern of mine is that the CMWG has decided upon a time and
>place
> > for a meeting without consulting the other party. It seems rather
>arrogant
> > and, at least, a blunder in diplomacy. Related to this is that the tone
>of
> > language comes across to me as obnoxiously demanding in a way that to me
> > seems counterproductive. It's missing common courtesy. If I were in
> > Channel 11's shoes, my reaction would be "whatever, I've got enough
>problems
> > to deal with, these guys don't care about my problems, I think I'll
>ignore
> > them."
> > I think a better response would be to act in a more 'professional'
> > manner, reflective of the skills and qualities we posess. "Channel 11,
>we
> > are media involved people and with a constituency of endorsing groups,
>we
> > would like to address your lack of coverage on the war with Iraq..."
> > Be clear that I am not in support of a "toned down wimpy approach"
>that
> > accepts the bullshit of why nothing can be changed. What I am in
>support of
> > is an intelligent method of approach that is remarkably similar to a
>well
> > played game of chess (or euchre).
> > These are my sticking points for an endorsement. If we do put
> > endorsements on anything, it should be very strongly relevant to our
> > mission. I hope this clarifies my thoughts, Garth
> >
> >
> > From: Mitchell Szczepanczyk <msszczep@midway.uchicago.edu>
> > To: Garth Liebhaber <garthliebhaber@hotmail.com>
> > CC: imc-chicago-working@indymedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [CIMC-working] egad, and other responses, from mr. g.
> > Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:33:40 -0600 (CST)
> >
> > On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Garth Liebhaber wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> hey folks, read through the emails. here's some responses.
>
> >> 1. Chicago Media Working Groups proposal to Channel 11. While we
>aren't
> >> in denial about being media activists, I would want more
> >> discussion/background info on the dynamics. I'm curious about the
>language
> >> in the proposal. If we got a letter out of the blue from a group we'd
>had
> >> little or no relationship with before telling us they set a meeting up
>and
> >> decided the time and place without our input I think we would likely
>ignore
> >> them.
> >
> > Garth,
> >
> > Please note: The Working Group is not a group that's come out of
> > nowwhere. Chris G and Chris K are members of the Working Group, as am
> > I; Don Goldhamer has been to a meeting. Other members include
> > representatives from Labor Beat and Citizens from Independent
> > Public Broadcasting--Chicago.
> >
> > But I'm looking at this with jaundiced eyes. :-) I'll let others chime
>in
> > on this matter.
> >
> > -- Mitchell
> >
> >> ___
> >
> >
> >
> >
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