[CIMC-working] Channel11/CMWG endorsement, Chris, why then did you forward this?

[Chris Kaihatsu]

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[CIMC-working] an issue or not for CIMC? -- More endorsers for new
broadcasts on Iraq, progressive issues
http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-chicago-working/2002-December=
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000395.html

> IMC-Chicago, The Chicago Progressive Media Working Group is calling on
> Channel Eleven's boss, Dan Schmidt, to work with CPMWG on new broadcasts =
on
> progressive issues we identify.



Garth, all,

I forwarded the email from the CPMWG and added my own text to the subject
line, for this list (reference is above). In the subject line I asked "an
issue or not for CIMC?" because their email seemed to indicate that they
would be listing us as an endorser.


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> don't forward things without an express purpose that you clearly state at
> the top of the forward.


Okay, this is a good idea, and I will stick to it as a practice (in the
subject line).


Chris




on 12/30/02 8:10 PM, Garth Liebhaber at garthliebhaber@hotmail.com wrote:

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> Chris,
>   Then why did you send your initial letter concerning the issue to the
> listserve?  Especially as Michael has pointed out that there are several =
IMC
> affiliated people with CMWG?  The logical assumption was that if these
> people did not point out our policy then there was some move toward
> approval.  Please don't forward things without empathetic explanations.  =
New
> IMC applications are obvious and helpful to our collective psyche.  The
> recent letter about Guido and the STOPUSA platform means nothing to me an=
d
> adds nothing about our Channel 11 endorsement issue.  Is there a specific
> point I should know of in that text that you are referring to?
>    Of course I will find my own level of involvement, but let me point
> something out.  As a part of the group I try to be empathetic to  the who=
le
> and am thus responding to Doug's endeavors with the TMF/George Soross
> issues.  I feel the need to be supportive where need be for the health of
> the organization.  Burn out comes from frustration and I was letting
> particularly Doug know where I was coming from so he and others would kno=
w
> what type of support I could provide.
>    Emailing about this issue has taken up way too much time. It has been =
a
> waste of time. Please more carefully consider what you forward.  Please
> don't forward things without an express purpose that you clearly state at
> the top of the forward.  I think the biggest reason people turn off of
> listserves and the owning organization is because of too much meaningless
> junk.  ciao, garth
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> -- Forwarded Message --
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> hi,
> I sent following on the indymedia.be-editolist,
> greetings, Guido
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> hi,
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> I had to wait for one week to get connected to the Net.
> So I could think about the discussions there are now about STOPUSA,
> AEL-list, Han,...
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> 1. Indymedia.be should sign the STOPUSAplatform.
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> I don't see why, and I don't see why the rest of the collective has to
> follow the opinion from 4 or 5 people, for me it's like this persons made=
 up
> their mind and the rest has to follow or they want it or not. This is not
> democratic at all.
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> 2. The AEL-list: I have really problems that somebody of the collective
> would be on a list in the elections next year. Why? Han is known from
> indymedia.be, "without indymedia.be Han would be not known, was there no
> Han, maybe their was no indymedia.be...". I think that if Han comes on a
> list, for people indymedia.be will loose it's independency because:
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>> From: Chris Kaihatsu <ckaihatsu@myrealbox.com>
>> To: <imc-chicago-working@indymedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [CIMC-working] ignore previous, Channel11/CMWG endorsement
>> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 02:58:35 -0600
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>> Garth, all,
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>> I prefer sticking to our CIMC practice of not formally endorsing other
>> organizations. Of course revolutionary/progressive/activist groups are
>> welcome to post on ours and other Indymedia sites.
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>> Anyone interested in these media issues should consider becoming active
>> around them. I don't think Indymedia is suited to the same role that the
>> CPMWG plays, though. Indymedia has been about grassroots, activist
>> journalism.
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>> I welcome other CIMC participants' input -- lately it's just been Doug,
>> Garth, and myself weighing in.
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>> Chris
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>> on 12/29/02 2:11 AM, Garth Liebhaber at garthliebhaber@hotmail.com wrote=
:
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>>> hey all,
>>> =A0=A0=A0 let me clarify on the Channel 11/ CMWG proposal draft.=A0 I think I
>> used
>>> too many pronouns.=A0 I don't know the history of the relationships with
>>> channel 11 and progressive media folk around Chicago, more so
>> particularly
>>> the folks listed as present or potential endorsers, some of which are
>> not
>>> media groups but issue related groups.
>>> =A0=A0=A0 One concern of mine is that the CMWG has decided upon a time and
>> place
>>> for a meeting without consulting the other party.=A0 It seems rather
>> arrogant
>>> and, at least, a blunder in diplomacy.=A0 Related to this is that the ton=
e
>> of
>>> language comes across to me as obnoxiously demanding in a way that to m=
e
>>> seems counterproductive.=A0 It's missing common courtesy.=A0 If I were in
>>> Channel 11's shoes, my reaction would be "whatever, I've got enough
>> problems
>>> to deal with, these guys don't care about my problems, I think I'll
>> ignore
>>> them."
>>> =A0=A0=A0 I think a better response would be to act in a more 'professional'
>>> manner, reflective of the skills and qualities we posess.=A0 "Channel 11,
>> we
>>> are media involved people and with a constituency of endorsing groups,
>> we
>>> would like to address your lack of coverage on the war with Iraq..."
>>> =A0=A0=A0 Be clear that I am not in support of a "toned down wimpy approach"
>> that
>>> accepts the bullshit of why nothing can be changed.=A0 What I am in
>> support of
>>> is an intelligent method of approach that is remarkably similar to a
>> well
>>> played game of chess (or euchre).
>>> =A0=A0=A0 These are my sticking points for an endorsement.=A0 If we do put
>>> endorsements on anything, it should be very strongly relevant to our
>>> mission.=A0 I hope this clarifies my thoughts, Garth
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>>> =A0    =A0    From: Mitchell Szczepanczyk <msszczep@midway.uchicago.edu>
>>> To: Garth Liebhaber <garthliebhaber@hotmail.com>
>>> CC: imc-chicago-working@indymedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [CIMC-working] egad, and other responses, from mr. g.
>>> Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2002 19:33:40 -0600 (CST)
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>>> On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Garth Liebhaber wrote:
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>>>> hey folks, =A0=A0=A0=A0 read through the emails.=A0 here's some responses.
>> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0
>>>> 1.=A0 Chicago Media Working Groups proposal to Channel 11.=A0 While we
>> aren't
>>>> in denial about being media activists, I would want more
>>>> discussion/background info on the dynamics.=A0 I'm curious about the
>> language
>>>> in the proposal.=A0 If we got a letter out of the blue from a group we'd
>> had
>>>> little or no relationship with before telling us they set a meeting up
>> and
>>>> decided the time and place without our input I think we would likely
>> ignore
>>>> them.
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>>> Garth,
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>>> Please note: The Working Group is not a group that's come out of
>>> nowwhere.=A0 Chris G and Chris K are members of the Working Group, as am
>>> I; Don Goldhamer has been to a meeting.=A0 Other members include
>>> representatives from Labor Beat and Citizens from Independent
>>> Public Broadcasting--Chicago.
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>>> But I'm looking at this with jaundiced eyes. :-) I'll let others chime
>> in
>>> on this matter.
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>>> -- Mitchell
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