[CIMC-working] Re: Chris, Elizabeth, and purchasing NICS computer stuff

[Chris Kaihatsu]

>    I think that the role  of Liason is to follow the lists and to
> summarize the elements to the group, and to provide extended documentation
> as needed.

Garth, all,

If someone else is interested in following the global lists in order to
provide summary information to this list, then they are welcome to take up
that role -- I am not interested in that role.

>    While it is true that Elizabeth does not attend meetings, she has been
> a long time tech person and she deserves our attention and respect.

Agreed.

>   If I am clear, Elizabeth wants CIMC to sponsor a proposal on Global
> finance to purchase computer hardware to improve server service.

This is my understanding as well.

> I don't 
> see why the working group listserve can't be used to carry out the decision
> making process.

I agree -- I would consider it valid.

>   I don't know much about tech, like Ian and Don do, but unless
> Elizabeth's Tech peers suggest better ideas, it all sounds good to me.  I
> trust Elizabeth.

It sounds good to me, too. My question is: Does my, yours, and Elizabeth's
support for this proposal equal CIMC consensus? Is there a certain period of
time that should elapse -- for others to weigh in -- until it is considered
consensed on?

>   Chris, if you are Finance liason, it would then be up to you to post it
> to the Finance listserve.

I am not "finance liaison." I consider myself to be an acting liaison for
the outcomes of CIMC consensus, to (and from) the global lists.


Chris




on 1/17/03 12:13 AM, Garth Liebhaber at garthliebhaber@hotmail.com wrote:

> Chris,
>    I think that this is a part of the problem of your function of liason.
> You have been sanitarily and detachedly been sending us random forwards
> (that you at some point decided was of pertinant value) and when these have
> been responded to you are seemingly oblivious to their meaning relative to
> the processes you are following.  I'm trying to say this as constructively
> as possible.
>    I think that the role  of Liason is to follow the lists and to
> summarize the elements to the group, and to provide extended documentation
> as needed.
>    While it is true that Elizabeth does not attend meetings, she has been
> a long time tech person and she deserves our attention and respect.
>   If I am clear, Elizabeth wants CIMC to sponsor a proposal on Global
> finance to purchase computer hardware to improve server service.  I don't
> see why the working group listserve can't be used to carry out the decision
> making process.  I don't think we should handicap ourselves anymore than we
> are.
>   I don't know much about tech, like Ian and Don do, but unless
> Elizabeth's Tech peers suggest better ideas, it all sounds good to me.  I
> trust Elizabeth.
>   Chris, if you are Finance liason, it would then be up to you to post it
> to the Finance listserve.
>   Am I right on this?
>                         Garth
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Chris Kaihatsu <ckaihatsu@myrealbox.com>
>> To: Elizabeth Frasier <ehf@bookbeast.com>,"Imc-Chicago-Working (E-mail)"
>> <imc-chicago-working@lists.indymedia.org>
>> Subject: CIMC decision-making, liaising     Re: [CIMC-working]
>> PROPOSAL:Purchae two NICS
>> Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 23:23:46 -0600
>> 
>>> I am forwarding to whoever does this at the working group [...]
>> 
>> Elizabeth, all,
>> 
>> My understanding of CIMC decision-making is that those who participate in
>> creating and/or delivering content firstly and primarily for the CIMC site
>> may also participate in CIMC decision-making. Our meetings, on the 2nd and
>> 4th Sundays of each month, at 4pm, at 3411 W. Diversey are where
>> participants may come to consensus on various issues.
>> 
>> My understanding of this IMC-Chicago-Working list is that this is where
>> CIMC
>> participants may discuss various issues of import to the functioning of
>> CIMC
>> and the larger IMC network. I'm unsure if this list should also be
>> considered a valid venue for decision-making, in addition to the regular
>> meetings.
>> 
>>> [...] for whomever from chicago deals with finance at global [...]
>> 
>> I have been acting as a liaison for the CIMC collective, to the global
>> lists
>> that I am subscribed to, including IMC-Finance. However, to be
>> painstakingly
>> accurate, I do not "deal with finance." That is not what a liaison, by
>> definition, does. No inclination or position of mine can be said to be
>> representative of the CIMC collective. If there is no consensus from the
>> CIMC collective, then I have no liaising to do.
>> 
>> On this topic please also see this recent post:
>> 
>> [CIMC-working] CIMC liaison role
>> http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/public/imc-chicago-working/2003-January/0
>> 00490.html
>> 
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> on 1/16/03 9:02 AM, Elizabeth Fraser at ehf@bookbeast.com wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I am forwarding to whoever does this at the working group per
>>> Chris' instructions below for whomever from chicago deals with
>>> finance at global. -- eliz/tech (this proposal has already
>>> appeared on global but I'm guessing chicago still does input)
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: chicago-tech-admin@lists.indymedia.org
>>> [mailto:chicago-tech-admin@lists.indymedia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>>> Kaihatsu
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:06 AM
>>> To: Elizabeth Frasier
>>> Cc: chicago-tech@lists.indymedia.org
>>> Subject: [Chicago-tech] Re: [IMC-Tech] PROPOSAL: Purchae two NICS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Elizabeth,
>>> 
>>> I am not "part" of the global finance working group. I am an
>> issue-by-issue
>>> liaison for the Chicago Independent Media Center, subject to CIMC
>>> participants' collective decisions.
>>> 
>>> I suggest you put forth your request for CIMC funds to the
>>> imc-chicago-working list, with "Proposal" in the subject line, and
>> request a
>>> specific amount.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Chris
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> on 1/14/03 8:44 AM, Elizabeth Fraser      at ehf@bookbeast.com wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Chris, Elizabeth from tech here--if the bits and pieces below are
>> within your
>>>> range of okays as part of the finance work group--I think tech from
>> chicago
>>>> would say a big YES on this one.  Just adding my input. -- eliz
> 
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