[CIMC-work] (re: removing climate Indymedia) FW:IMC approval

[Chris Kaihatsu]

Elizabeth, CIMC,

Should we send a CIMC backing of this to the Process list? Anyone else?


Chris



On 10/21/03 11:13 AM, "Elizabeth Fraser" <ehf at bookbeast.com> wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> Elizabeth here.  Being a major eco-freak, I think Climate needs to
> go--it has been totally broken and likely deters local eco folks who
> come across it from using their local indymedias.  It's in such bad
> condition, that even if someone were to want to work on it anew--they
> would want to start from scratch.  Even when it was up and operational,
> the postings were sparse.  Single topic IMCs and websites in general may
> sound like a good idea during a big action--but they often die deaths of
> sad neglect.
> 
> --eliz
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: imc-chicago-working-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
> [mailto:imc-chicago-working-bounces at lists.indymedia.org] On Behalf Of
> Chris Kaihatsu
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:18 AM
> To: imc-chicago-working at indymedia.org
> Subject: [CIMC-work] (re: removing climate Indymedia) FW: [IMC-Process]
> PROPOSAL:destruction of congo.indymedia.org -- Chicago IMC approval
> 
> 
> 
> ------ Forwarded Message
> From: clara <clara at ifrik.org>
> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:14:00 +0200
> To: imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
> Subject: Re: FW: [IMC-Process] PROPOSAL: destruction of
> congo.indymedia.org
> -- Chicago IMC approval
> 
> hoi,
> if necessary for the formal process, Indymedia Netherlands as a lisaon
> puts forward the proposal that Brian made some days earlier. If not
> necessary, we just support it.
> 
> We would also propose to take climate of the cities list, as it is
> broken for about 9 months, and by now shows an empty page. Some
> indidivuals of the former editorial group in the Netherlands support it,
> some others did not answer in the last months.
> 
> Love and solidarity
> Clara
> 
> 
> 
>> PROPOSAL:
>> destrucion del congo.indymedia.org
>> destruction of congo.indymedia.org
>> 
>> [es]
>> 
>> English below.
>> 
>> Congo.indymedia.org ha leido "Bobby Meade IMC" por mas de un anyo, y no
> 
>> ha sido un sitio "open publishing" en este tiempo. Bobby Meade es un
>> escritor un poco loco norteamericano que publica muchas cosas absurdo
>> en IMCs del red indymedia. Trato decir que congo.indymedia.org es
>> literalmente una broma. Segun zapata y micah, congo nunca estaba un
>> CMI.
>> 
>> Si era del congo, y viera esta pagina, tendria un efecto mal:
>> 1) es posible que creo que hay un CMI en congo, pero esta muy
>> desfuncional, y seria menos probable intentar organizar un imc.
>> 2) es posible que me ofenden que congo es el extremo de una broma.
>> 
>> Por esto, nos propongo quitar congo.indymedia.org de la red indymedia.
>> 
>> No soy liason de nadie, y tecnicalmente, no puedo proponer esto. Un CMI
> 
>> tiene que "patrocine" esta oferta para que ser oficial. En ese punto,
>> un plazo seria fijado 7 dias a partir de la epoca de esto email.
>> 
>> Tambien (y esto no es formal), necesitamos un proceso mas formal para
>> quitamos IMCs disfuncional. Tengo unas ideas, pero no tengo la energia
>> para traducirlos a espanol :( Si habla ingles, leer mas abajo.
>> 
>> Unidad y Lucha,
>> Brian Szymanski
>> ski at indymedia.org
>> bks10 at cornell.edu
>> 
>> 
>> [en]
>> 
>> Congo.indymedia.org has read "Bobby Meade IMC" for over a year now, and
> 
>> during this time not been an open publishing site. For those of you
>> unfamiliar with Bobby Meade, he is a prolific writer of... "unusual"
>> material. Many IMC's have had persistent annoyances deleting his
>> writings. In other words, congo.indymedia.org as it is currently is
>> literally a joke. According to micah and zapata, congo never really was
> 
>> an IMC.
>> 
>> If I was from congo, wanting to start an IMC, and I saw that page, it
>> would have a demotivational effect:
>> 1) I might think there is a congo IMC, but it is extremely
>> disfunctional (as opposed to non-existent, in which case I could start
>> organizing)
>> 2) I might think that congo is the butt of some sort of joke among 1st
>> world IMCistas.
>> 
>> Therefore. I propose that we delete congo.indymedia.org from DNS and,
>> after archiving and backing up any content on stallman, deleting the
>> files used by congo on stallman.
>> 
>> I am not a liason for any group, so technically I can't propose this (I
> 
>> think). So, if someone would be so kind as to talk to their local IMC,
>> get consensus, and "sponsor" this proposal, that would rule. At that
>> point, a deadline would be set 7 days from the time of this
>> "sponsor"ing email.
>> 
>> (end of proposal, the below is just an informal note about delisting
>> fucked imc's in general)
>> 
>> We also need a more formal process for delisting dead or dysfunctional
>> (ie
>> BeachCities) IMCs. We need to formalize a process for this happening in
>> the future: namely by creating a process for declaring IMC's "dead",
>> similar to the New-IMC process (for example, it could be pointed out
> that,
>> say, 2 or more of the principles of unity are not met, the group has
> asked
>> to be deleted, nobody has been able to get in touch with the group for
>> over 2 months, etc.), and then a set of actions to take on these "dead
>> IMC's", such as:
>>   a) backing them up & removing them from the cities.inc and dns, and
>> their webserver
>>   b) providing an accessible archive of content that was posted to the
> imc
>> before it was declared dead.
>> 
>> Peace,
>> Brian Szymanski
>> ski at indymedia.org
>> bks10 at cornell.edu
>> 
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