[CIMC-work] (re: removing climate Indymedia) FW:IMC approval

Thu Oct 23 00:04:46 PDT 2003

sounds like a good idea, i third the motion.  good work chris k.

Yea

On Wednesday, October 22, 2003, at 10:55 PM, Chris Kaihatsu wrote:
> Elizabeth, CIMC,
>
> Should we send a CIMC backing of this to the Process list? Anyone else?
>
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On 10/21/03 11:13 AM, "Elizabeth Fraser" <ehf at bookbeast.com> wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> Elizabeth here.  Being a major eco-freak, I think Climate needs to
>> go--it has been totally broken and likely deters local eco folks who
>> come across it from using their local indymedias.  It's in such bad
>> condition, that even if someone were to want to work on it anew--they
>> would want to start from scratch.  Even when it was up and 
>> operational,
>> the postings were sparse.  Single topic IMCs and websites in general 
>> may
>> sound like a good idea during a big action--but they often die deaths 
>> of
>> sad neglect.
>>
>> --eliz
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: imc-chicago-working-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
>> [mailto:imc-chicago-working-bounces at lists.indymedia.org] On Behalf Of
>> Chris Kaihatsu
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:18 AM
>> To: imc-chicago-working at indymedia.org
>> Subject: [CIMC-work] (re: removing climate Indymedia) FW: 
>> [IMC-Process]
>> PROPOSAL:destruction of congo.indymedia.org -- Chicago IMC approval
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Forwarded Message
>> From: clara <clara at ifrik.org>
>> Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 21:14:00 +0200
>> To: imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
>> Subject: Re: FW: [IMC-Process] PROPOSAL: destruction of
>> congo.indymedia.org
>> -- Chicago IMC approval
>>
>> hoi,
>> if necessary for the formal process, Indymedia Netherlands as a lisaon
>> puts forward the proposal that Brian made some days earlier. If not
>> necessary, we just support it.
>>
>> We would also propose to take climate of the cities list, as it is
>> broken for about 9 months, and by now shows an empty page. Some
>> indidivuals of the former editorial group in the Netherlands support 
>> it,
>> some others did not answer in the last months.
>>
>> Love and solidarity
>> Clara
>>
>>
>>
>>> PROPOSAL:
>>> destrucion del congo.indymedia.org
>>> destruction of congo.indymedia.org
>>>
>>> [es]
>>>
>>> English below.
>>>
>>> Congo.indymedia.org ha leido "Bobby Meade IMC" por mas de un anyo, y 
>>> no
>>
>>> ha sido un sitio "open publishing" en este tiempo. Bobby Meade es un
>>> escritor un poco loco norteamericano que publica muchas cosas absurdo
>>> en IMCs del red indymedia. Trato decir que congo.indymedia.org es
>>> literalmente una broma. Segun zapata y micah, congo nunca estaba un
>>> CMI.
>>>
>>> Si era del congo, y viera esta pagina, tendria un efecto mal:
>>> 1) es posible que creo que hay un CMI en congo, pero esta muy
>>> desfuncional, y seria menos probable intentar organizar un imc.
>>> 2) es posible que me ofenden que congo es el extremo de una broma.
>>>
>>> Por esto, nos propongo quitar congo.indymedia.org de la red 
>>> indymedia.
>>>
>>> No soy liason de nadie, y tecnicalmente, no puedo proponer esto. Un 
>>> CMI
>>
>>> tiene que "patrocine" esta oferta para que ser oficial. En ese punto,
>>> un plazo seria fijado 7 dias a partir de la epoca de esto email.
>>>
>>> Tambien (y esto no es formal), necesitamos un proceso mas formal para
>>> quitamos IMCs disfuncional. Tengo unas ideas, pero no tengo la 
>>> energia
>>> para traducirlos a espanol :( Si habla ingles, leer mas abajo.
>>>
>>> Unidad y Lucha,
>>> Brian Szymanski
>>> ski at indymedia.org
>>> bks10 at cornell.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> [en]
>>>
>>> Congo.indymedia.org has read "Bobby Meade IMC" for over a year now, 
>>> and
>>
>>> during this time not been an open publishing site. For those of you
>>> unfamiliar with Bobby Meade, he is a prolific writer of... "unusual"
>>> material. Many IMC's have had persistent annoyances deleting his
>>> writings. In other words, congo.indymedia.org as it is currently is
>>> literally a joke. According to micah and zapata, congo never really 
>>> was
>>
>>> an IMC.
>>>
>>> If I was from congo, wanting to start an IMC, and I saw that page, it
>>> would have a demotivational effect:
>>> 1) I might think there is a congo IMC, but it is extremely
>>> disfunctional (as opposed to non-existent, in which case I could 
>>> start
>>> organizing)
>>> 2) I might think that congo is the butt of some sort of joke among 
>>> 1st
>>> world IMCistas.
>>>
>>> Therefore. I propose that we delete congo.indymedia.org from DNS and,
>>> after archiving and backing up any content on stallman, deleting the
>>> files used by congo on stallman.
>>>
>>> I am not a liason for any group, so technically I can't propose this 
>>> (I
>>
>>> think). So, if someone would be so kind as to talk to their local 
>>> IMC,
>>> get consensus, and "sponsor" this proposal, that would rule. At that
>>> point, a deadline would be set 7 days from the time of this
>>> "sponsor"ing email.
>>>
>>> (end of proposal, the below is just an informal note about delisting
>>> fucked imc's in general)
>>>
>>> We also need a more formal process for delisting dead or 
>>> dysfunctional
>>> (ie
>>> BeachCities) IMCs. We need to formalize a process for this happening 
>>> in
>>> the future: namely by creating a process for declaring IMC's "dead",
>>> similar to the New-IMC process (for example, it could be pointed out
>> that,
>>> say, 2 or more of the principles of unity are not met, the group has
>> asked
>>> to be deleted, nobody has been able to get in touch with the group 
>>> for
>>> over 2 months, etc.), and then a set of actions to take on these 
>>> "dead
>>> IMC's", such as:
>>>   a) backing them up & removing them from the cities.inc and dns, and
>>> their webserver
>>>   b) providing an accessible archive of content that was posted to 
>>> the
>> imc
>>> before it was declared dead.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Brian Szymanski
>>> ski at indymedia.org
>>> bks10 at cornell.edu
>>>
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