[CIMC-work] (more on email addresses) FW: [IMC-Process] somebody@indymedia - and- financial structures: convergence?

Tue Oct 28 17:03:55 PST 2003

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From: /m <info at nephridium.org>
Date: 28 Oct 2003 01:37:36 +0000
To: ana <anap at riseup.net>
Cc: "imc-process at indymedia.org" <imc-process at indymedia.org>
Subject: [IMC-Process]  somebody at indymedia - and- financial structures:
convergence?

[sorry for cross posting, but i think this concerns us all]

sorry also for mono-lingual presentation ;(

SUMMARY:

The future organisation of indymedia: the network has grown and new
challenges are on the horizon.

This is an attempt to bring together issues on imc-process, imc-finance
and uk-process to start thinking about how indymedia can grow further
without compromising the 'globalisation from below' integrity:

_____

to be really simplistic: on the one hand indymedia wants to,
essentially, participate in the GLOBAL struggle to realise article 19 of
the UNDHR:

³Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right
includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek,
receive and impart information and ideas through any media and
regardless of frontiers.²

on the other hand indymedia, due to reasonable and in themselves
interesting debates about the relations between architecture of
organisation and distribution of power, does not really give email
addresses to people: no one can represent indymedia and therefore no one
can have an email that says smartass at indymedia.org, because the
reputation of indymedia and the phenomenal global growth of collectives
working under the banner of indymedia (within the much wider
'independent media movement' and free software movement) is NOT to be
used to help build careers and 'individuality' - this revolution is
faceless, as luther blisset would have said.

however, some people do have one and there is a certain kind of
ambivalence in this fact: the balance between (i) technocracy and expert
hierarchy vs. (ii) the tyranny of initiative: ""...i volunteer and do a
lot of tech work for indymedia and within the idea of freedom under
responsibility it is cool that i use the same informational technology
as i spend all my time on building for my own communication...""

i favour the latter, but where goes the limit?

does indymedia have a clone of new-imc for individuals to go through to
obtain and email address? and if, - which criteria? and imagine the
disputes!

does indymedia apply to funding bodies to get a piece of the cake of all
the money that 'global liberalism' is offering to 'rebuild communities
with IT' with a programme of offering free email service (and more)? -
or can we not touch 'dirty money'?

or does indymedia build also this provision through pure and radical
volunteer power?

or is indymedia not an email option? - but some already rely on this
service!

is it better to be really liberal, open and free and offer an indymedia
email to anyone who cannot otherwise have one - the homeless or
otherwise marginalised person (no representation of the network, but a
provision of a communicational service) ??? --- or is it only
volunteeers and active 'people on the inside' who can have one
(significant of 'belonging to the the indy movement', but of course just
a 'normal' fringe benefit as in many other settings of life in the
capitalist world ;)

the future is wide open and it seems as if the issues raised in the uk
has structural similarities with the UCIMC debate earlier, which started
here, through clara's intervention:
http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2003-October/005240.html

the convergence point of these two thread are, IMHO:

where do we go from here - or: it seems like the growth of the indy
network is forcing upon us a need to really seriously debate and discuss
about some pressing issues about how we will organise ourselves in the
future........

diversity gives value conflicts and therein lies our future: we have to
stretch as far as the intent and passion to create free media goes, it
could be said...

personally i would like to have me at indymedia and then be subscribed to
all lists by default and use virtual folders to read the archives.

but dont listen to me - think.

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/m

PS: did you really read all this?

On Sun, 2003-10-26 at 19:40, ana wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i have forwarded javier's email to the global process list (without
> headers) - i'm still the liaison in spite of me...
> 
> let's expect responses.
> 
> Javier wrote:
> 
> >on top of that, ive always being against giving official emails without
> >a proper process, whatever at indymedia.org.uk means you are whatever at a
> >particular organisation. In the internet a name is important, as the
> >cybersquatters knew very well. If whatever at indymedia.org argues in an
> >email list against nobody at hotmail.com, we know who is going to be taken
> >more seriously by many people
> >
> >
> >ciao, javi 
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 2003-10-21 at 12:25, andi wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>hi paul,
> >>
> >>there won't be a service whatever at indymedia.org.uk very easily as
> >>we'd have to set up a mail server and would act like an isp... the
> >>global indy techies have already decided against providing such
> >>a service as it'd be increasing the bandwidth load considerably.
> >>
> >>however, you could check out BLAG (the Brixton Linux Action Group)
> >>at http://blagblagblag.org/ and talk to people there - they provide
> >>a webmail service called indymail as an indy alternative to hotmail.
> >>
> >>cheers andi
> >>
> >>
> >>Paul wrote on 10/21/03 2:26 AM
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>hi andi
> >>>i guess people go for hotmail and yahoo because they're the ones people
> >>>know. i hadn't heard of linuxmail until you mentioned it - and it
> >>>doesn't seem to be working when i click on the link.
> >>>could there be an indymedia email service so people could have
> >>>whatever at indymedia.org.uk?
> >>>paul
> >>>
> >>>On Monday, October 20, 2003, at 05:10  pm, andi wrote:
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>>><snip>
> >>>>just another thought: i don't understand why people interested
> >>>>social change still utilise corporate webmail like yahoo or
> >>>>hotmail. i'd recommend to support free software by getting one
> >>>>of these typical free webmail accounts (5 megabytes space) from
> >>>>*good* organisations like http://linuxmail.org
> >>>>        
> >>>>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>imc-london mailing list
> >>imc-london at lists.indymedia.org
> >>http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-london
> >>    
> >>

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