[CIMC-work] (inter-IMC discord) Fwd: [IMC-Process]

Sun Feb 22 15:14:25 PST 2004

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> From: Pseudo Punk <bart at indymedia.org>
> Date: February 16, 2004 4:59:43 AM CST
> To: soluble fish <solublefish2002 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: imc-oceania at lists.cat.org.au
> Cc: imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
> Cc: imc-qc at indymedia.org
> Cc: imc-ph-manilla at indymedia.org
> Subject: [IMC-Process]
>
> imc-qc at lists.indymedia.org
> Bcc:
> Subject: Re: [IMC-Process] Fwd: [Imc-ph-manila]  Manila Indymedia is 
> facing black propaganda from the Left
> Reply-To:
> In-Reply-To: <20040209092449.52524.qmail at web13203.mail.yahoo.com>
> Hey,
>
> This is bad news. imc's aren't supposed to say shit about each other in
> public.
>
> Is there someone neutral & more local who can say some things about 
> this
> conflict ? I just get the impression both imc's suffer from 
> sectarianism.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Bart
>
> soluble fish <solublefish2002 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> jongpairez at riseup.net wrote:Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 01:20:08 -0800 (PST)
>> From: jongpairez at riseup.net
>> To: imc-ph-manila at lists.indymedia.org
>> Subject: [Imc-ph-manila]
>> Manila Indymedia is facing black propaganda from the Left
>>
>> people,
>>
>> (read below) i have here an excerpt of QC.INDYMEDIA.ORG news statement
>> about their collective that i got from the philippine authoritarian 
>> left
>> news website (bulatlat.com). FACTS HAD BEEN TWISTED HERE. and the 
>> manila
>> indymedia's hope to enable MUTUAL AID between qc indymedia has finally
>> collapsed. the optimism of mutual decentralized networking backed with
>> TRUST is being ruined by the qc indy group and their band of 
>> authoritarian
>> groups. qc.indymedia.org is THROWING STONE against manila indymedia
>> collective's right to assert AUTONOMY from the clutches of the
>> AUTHORITARIAN LEFT'S domination of media/propaganda. this is a SAD 
>> THING.
>> Manila Indymedia only wants AUTONOMY and practice LIBERTARIAN GROUP
>> DYNAMICS. But as usuall, the libertarians who are fighting for sheer
>> liberty and autonomy from any authority is always accused of being
>> SABOTEURS and COUNTER-REVOLUTIONARY by fellow travellers in the
>> revolutionary movement.
>>
>> But despite of all this, Manila Indymedia will still pursue its 
>> struggle
>> for FREEDOM and AUTONOMY, together with the people who are 
>> disenfranchised
>> of their POWER TO PARTICIPATE in the truth making process of the 
>> society.
>>
>> LONG LIVE MANILA INDYMEDIA!
>>
>> LONG LIVE PARTICIPATORY MEDIA!
>>
>> LONG LIVE THE HORIZONTAL ORGANIZING OF THE PEOPLE!
>>
>> LONG LIVE THE NON-AUTHORITARIAN SPIRIT OF INDYMEDIA!
>>
>> --------------------
>>
>> EXCERPT FROM BULATLAT.COM
>> to read the full article click:
>> http://www.bulatlat.com/news/4-2/4-2-indymedia.html
>>
>> "Another applicant by the name of Jong Pairez also
>> joined the Indymedia Pilipinas project.
>>
>> Months later, Cruz formed the imc-pilipinas mailing
>> list and started to convene small meetings and
>> consultations. Twenty-four NGOs and POs were in the
>> initial list of groups supporting Indymedia-Pilipinas.
>>
>>
>> Setting up a local Indymedia is normally easy and
>> fast. Any interested group or groups may band together
>> to form a collective or crew, draft a mission
>> statement and some Principles of Unity, an editorial
>> policy and, from there, go through a two-step
>> procedure on new-imc and imc-process. These aim to
>> ensure that new Indymedias would fit like a cog in the
>> huge and wide Indymedia network.
>>
>> This easy and fast rules went to naught, no thanks to
>> Pairez and his crew who dubbed themselves ?anarchists?
>> and identified themselves as ?friends? of the
>> pseudo-progressive group Sanlakas.
>>
>>> From the time Indymedia-Pilipinas sought a roll-call
>> of its members, Pairez consistently and ceaselessly
>> attacked Cruz and his comrades from Bayan. Without any
>> factual basis, he spewed venomous posts in the
>> imc-pilipinas mailing list against persons and
>> organizations identified with Bayan while keeping
>> quiet on his formal and informal links with Sanlakas.
>>
>> Pairez would later bolt Indymedia-Pilipinas and form
>> Indymedia-Manila.
>>
>> Things came to a head on Aug. 13 when both groups met
>> at the University of the Philippines in Quezon City
>> and decided to formally part ways, assuring each other
>> that no stumbling blocks would be thrown either way.
>>
>> The application of Indymedia-Manila swiftly passed the
>> Indymedia procedures and formally joined the network
>> on Oct. 11, 2003. True to its word, the
>> Indymedia-Pilipinas did not oppose the application.
>>
>> While the IMC-Pilipinas application passed the new-imc
>> stage on Dec. 1, 2003 without any objections, the
>> Indymedia-Manila crew posed problems on the
>> imc-process stage.
>>
>> Pairez and his crew repeatedly opposed the former?s
>> application on various grounds. The hysterical
>> objections went from the name (asking
>> Indymedia-Pilipinas to rename itself as
>> Indymedia-Quezon City) to all sorts of issues and to
>> as far as allege that Indymedia-Pilipinas was a
>> ?communist front,? a canard which was first made vogue
>> by the fascist U.S.-backed Marcos dictatorship.
>>
>> To break the impasse brought about by Pairez and his
>> group, the Indymedia-Pilipinas collective decided on
>> Dec. 19, 2003 to rename itself as Indymedia-QC and
>> made subsequent changes in its mission statement and
>> Principles of Unity to reflect its primary focus on
>> the Quezon City locality.
>>
>> The sabotage did not end there. Pairez and his group
>> ate their words and again opposed the application of
>> the renamed Indymedia-QC.
>>
>> The Indymedia-QC application gained headway into 2004
>> when the Indymedia-QC collective agreed to a proposed
>> three-month trial ending April 2, 2004 concomitant to
>> joining the global Indymedia network on Jan. 2, 2004.
>>
>>
>> For more information on Indymedia-QC, please click
>> this link.
>>
>> To read the Indymedia Collective, send an email.
>>
>> To join the collective, join the imc-qc mailing list
>> or sign up as volunteer. Posted by Bulatlat.com
>>
>>
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