[CIMC-work] Fw: [imc-us-process]Purpose of imc-us-process

[Chris Kaihatsu]

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Otto Nomous" <soydog at riseup.net>
To: "A process discussion list for U.S.-based IMCs"
<imc-us-process at lists.indymedia.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2004 4:00 PM
Subject: [imc-us-process]Purpose of imc-us-process


> On Wednesday, January 7, 2004, at 01:11  PM, bradley at riseup.net wrote:
>
> > I remember joining the imc-us-process list becuase I wanted to see how
> > i
> > may be able to contribute to the newly forming US-IMC. I do not join
> > this
> > list under the context of dispute resolution for IMCs based in the US.
> > However, I do remember that the list was also formed to create a forum
> > for
> > communication between IMCs based in the US.
>
> My understanding has been that while the Process list was set up to
> deal with general imc process, because of the complaints by non-English
> speaking folks about the list being dominated by American English
> speaking IMC matters, this imc-us-process list was set up precisely for
> discussing issues having to do with US-based IMCs, such as this.
> Another reason I heard given by someone else for this list was so that
> disputes within IMCs don't scare off new IMC people who might be
> joinining the process list, which I thought sounded too much like
> "sweeping it under the rug" approach. It seems that there are more
> people subscribed to the process list than this. Clara has already
> posted Lisa's original email to that list and others on the new-imc
> list have suggested this being discussed on the process list as well.
> However, as far as I know, no other posts to the process list about
> this issue has been approved yet by the moderators.
>
> -Jino
>
> p.s. - Pasted below is Chrystine's post about the purpose of us-process.
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-us-process/2003-December/
> 000251.html
>
> "There is a difference between the New-imc list and the Process-list.
> New-imc is a working group dedicated to guiding applicants to the
> network through the steps they need to take. It is a specialized group
> of volunteers. Process is a liaison based list.New-Imc is not. New Imc
> wants everyone to know whats going on so they ask applicants to publish
> their requests to Process list as well as New-Imc and post the back and
> forth conversations with the new groups, as well as dead-lines.Its also
> a place where they let everyone know when a new indy had been added.
> Process also serves as a place where locals can comment and ask
> questions of new group as they go through their "process".
>
> This part in particular is my take on things:
>
> Indymedia as yet does not have a clear cut way that it makes decisions
> by consensus globally. Its been debated whether the Process-list was
> the best list to use the last few years. For awhile Jay was attempting
> to rally the locals to be active on Communications and use that list
> for when we had to consense to something globally. That initiative sort
> of fell by the wayside.
>
> People post to Process IMHO because that is the most active liason
> based list in the network and they feel that is where they will get
> heard by the most people. But there have been problems with this.
>
> Last year non-English speaking folks had really had it with long winded
> all English debates being held on Process, plus New-imc felt hampered
> in their work. The Eugene debate, the Ithaca debate, filled the list
> with long unfriendly post that were posted in only one
> language--American English. Non-English speaking indymedians pleaded
> for relief and admins. threatened to quit. The result was the Italy
> Proposal which required that all posts to Process have a short intro
> defining subject and be posted in two languages. The other result was
> the formation of the us-process list.
>
> This list was where United States folks would feel free to post only in
> English(though Spanish would be nice too) and develope their thoughts
> in longer posts. We decided at the beginning to wait till folks join
> and then decide what we wanted to use this list for by seeing how it
> was used.
>
> So far its been used to discuss the us.indymedia site, the
> possibilities of a us indymedia gathering, and announcements pertaining
> to United States only. Jay asked awhile back if this would be a good
> place to send applications from new us locals applying to network. He
> didnt get much of a response, but I thought it was a good idea. Right
> from the start alot of us questioned if us-process was the best name
> for this list. It does make for some confusion.
>
> At this point, aside from the decision to ok a new imc into the
> network, there are very few decisions that are made globally. The Italy
> Proposal and the decision to have indymedia sites that are organized
> around subjects ( like Climate) were two i can think of. Right now
> decisions are made by what is called passive consensus. It means a
> proposal is made, a reasonable deadline is set for concerns or blocks
> to be made, and if no one objects, it goes through. Is everyone happy
> with this. No. But its the best we have been able to come up with so
> far.
>
> The reason for this is,even if a local indy did have a global liaison
> when they first joined, people come and go, and i have found it in my
> experience with several local indys, that it is hard to get someone to
> commit to this job. And it is a job to read the global lists and convey
> what is happening to local and to convey back to global what your indy
> thinks. In general it seems locals get very caught up, with good
> reason, in their own local affairs, and already are somewhat
> overwhelmed. In other words alot of local indys almost seem unaware of
> global once they get going. It is difficult to get a response from many
> locals.
>
> As far as this list, most partcipants are not liaisons. At one time I
> re-read the entire Archieves, read the Intro letters and listed what
> indys were represented. This is out-dated.My broken computer will be
> fixed in a few days and I will send out the statistics over this list
> after the first of the year.I felt last time I checked that we had good
> representation with active locals and active global volunteers. As far
> as how to get in touch with all indys---we talked about this some on
> Womens list when we wanted to send out our proposal. i will research
> this more and also let you know by first of year.
>
> Eric in particular has addressed the difficulty for locals to know what
> lists they should be on to effectively partcipate. Jay suggested
> Process and Communication to me when I became globalized. Finance is
> probably a good one too though Ive never been there. And I am a
> cheerleader for us-process as i think there is alot of good stuff we us
> indys could share and discuss, especially in this election year. Best
> practices. Networking. Get-togethers. Announcements. Anti-semitism in
> the USA maybe.
>
> Please add or correct anything Ive written here.     Sincerely in Peace
> and Solidarity, chrystine"
>
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