[CIMC-work] (regarding Indymedia's stance on Zionism) Fwd : Re:[imc-us-process] Arbitration

[Garth Liebhaber]

Chris,
Nessie may be agreeable on most of his views on the 
issue of what is a Zionism, etc., but the issue with Gehrig 
is dead.  chill.  resolved.  

There's nothing even to discuss on the Gehrig issue.  It 
was resolved when one of S.F. IMC acknowledged a 
spammer could have been using Gehrig's name, which 
was Gehrig's claim.

Nessie is dragging it up because he is trying to shift 
'blame' from S.F. IMC on the Indybay conflict to another 
issue.  Nessie has demonstrated himself to be an abusive 
personality, belittling many people on the list, let alone 
Indybay.

Nessie has actually become more silent as others on the 
list have become frustrated with S.F. IMC's stonewalling of 
a conflict resolution process.  Indybay is still without it's 
URL, amongst some other things they were supposed to 
get after their first mediation process with S.F. IMC.

In my view, it stinks of an abusive power tactic.  Like a 
divorced father withholding alimony even though his 
children are without shoes.

I object to this behavior and I wished more people would 
call them out on it, Nessie in particular. One cannot use 
the IMC community only when it suits them, and 
denounce it when it does not. Solidarity is a two way 
street.

I don't know the cure for an abuser, but I do know the first 
step is to stop cooperating with them, and to not be 
manipulated into their games because you are a 'nice 
person'.  Been there, done that.  If you notice, there has 
been a shift in his tone both times I have confronted the 
abuse, neither time was I objected to. 

As to the view on not getting involved, I say shame. I have 
been following this list long enough.  To not say anything 
is to be complicit.

Also, Chris, as this email is specifically to the CHICAGO 
list, I would appreciate you not cross posting to US 
Process, as that is a different audience.

Garth

p.s. perhaps T.Y. can give some
input to dealing with abusers?...
  

                        
                        CIMC,
 
 I categorically agree with Nessie on the entirety of what 
he says, and urge everyone to read his full text, at the link 
below.
 
 
 Chris
 
 
 
 ----- Begin forwarded message -----
 From: nessie at sfbg.com
 Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:48:36 -0800
 To: imc-us-process at lists.indymedia.org
 Subject: Re: [imc-us-process] Arbitration
 Reply-To: "A process discussion list for U.S.-based IMCs" 
<imc-us-process at lists.indymedia.org>
 
 > From: David Gehrig <zemblan at earthlink.net>
 > To: imc-us-process at lists.indymedia.org
 > Subject: Re: [imc-us-process] Arbitration
 
 
 The conflict between SFBay IMC and SF-IMC, and David 
Gehrig's having worn out his welcome at SF-IMC, are two 
separate and unrelated issues. Certain people, Gehrig 
himself apparently among them, are attempting to 
confuse you by conflating them. Don't fall for it.
 
 The conflict between SFBay-IMC and SF-IMC shouldn't 
even be being discussed here. We have been asked 
repeatedly not to. SF-IMC apologizes that y'all have had to 
listen to problems that are not your own,  and sincerely 
hopes that SFBay-IMC will show the common human 
courtesy of joining us in refraining from further inflicting 
our conflict upon the readers of this list. If you want to 
talk, talk to me. If you don't want to talk to me, don't talk. 
if you want a third party to relay messages, that's OK, too.  
But either way, please stop annoying these people and 
disrupting this list.
 
 Gehrig's having worn out his welcome at SF-IMC, on the 
other hand, is most relevant to this list. Unlike the SF-
IMC/SFBay conflict, it actually does effect everyone  here. 
It effects all of Indymedia. It particularly affects 
Americans, because Zionism is primarily America's fault. 
We foot the bill. Our money buys the weapons. The blood 
is on our hands. The world knows this, and the world 
hates us for it.  It behooves every American, especially 
IMCistas, to at last take the right side on this issue, and 
stand against oppression, by denouncing Israel for the 
oppressor that it is, and denouncing its apologists for the 
enablers they are.
 
 (snip)
 
 Continued at:
 
 http://www.sfimc.net/news/2004/03/1683899.php


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