[CIMC-work] (regarding Indymedia's stance on Zionism) Fwd: Re:[imc-u...

[ChrisGeovanis at aol.com]

Assume I'm stupid. Can kick some urls my way that can illuminate this 
situation for me? 

chris -- behind the 8 ball -- tine

In a message dated 03/10/2004 8:04:31 PM Central Standard Time, 
garthliebhaber at care2.com writes:


> Subj:Re: [CIMC-work] (regarding Indymedia's stance on Zionism)    Fwd: 
> Re:[imc-us-process] Arbitration 
> Date:03/10/2004 8:04:31 PM Central Standard Time
> From:garthliebhaber at care2.com
> To:imc-chicago-working at lists.indymedia.org
> Sent from the Internet 
> 
> 
> 
> Chris,
> Nessie may be agreeable on most of his views on the 
> issue of what is a Zionism, etc., but the issue with Gehrig 
> is dead.  chill.  resolved.  
> 
> There's nothing even to discuss on the Gehrig issue.  It 
> was resolved when one of S.F. IMC acknowledged a 
> spammer could have been using Gehrig's name, which 
> was Gehrig's claim.
> 
> Nessie is dragging it up because he is trying to shift 
> 'blame' from S.F. IMC on the Indybay conflict to another 
> issue.  Nessie has demonstrated himself to be an abusive 
> personality, belittling many people on the list, let alone 
> Indybay.
> 
> Nessie has actually become more silent as others on the 
> list have become frustrated with S.F. IMC's stonewalling of 
> a conflict resolution process.  Indybay is still without it's 
> URL, amongst some other things they were supposed to 
> get after their first mediation process with S.F. IMC.
> 
> In my view, it stinks of an abusive power tactic.  Like a 
> divorced father withholding alimony even though his 
> children are without shoes.
> 
> I object to this behavior and I wished more people would 
> call them out on it, Nessie in particular. One cannot use 
> the IMC community only when it suits them, and 
> denounce it when it does not. Solidarity is a two way 
> street.
> 
> I don't know the cure for an abuser, but I do know the first 
> step is to stop cooperating with them, and to not be 
> manipulated into their games because you are a 'nice 
> person'.  Been there, done that.  If you notice, there has 
> been a shift in his tone both times I have confronted the 
> abuse, neither time was I objected to. 
> 
> As to the view on not getting involved, I say shame. I have 
> been following this list long enough.  To not say anything 
> is to be complicit.
> 
> Also, Chris, as this email is specifically to the CHICAGO 
> list, I would appreciate you not cross posting to US 
> Process, as that is a different audience.
> 
> Garth
> 
> p.s. perhaps T.Y. can give some
> input to dealing with abusers?...
>   
> 
>                         
>                         CIMC,
> 
> I categorically agree with Nessie on the entirety of what 
> he says, and urge everyone to read his full text, at the link 
> below.
> 
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Begin forwarded message -----
> From: nessie at sfbg.com
> Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 12:48:36 -0800
> To: imc-us-process at lists.indymedia.org
> Subject: Re: [imc-us-process] Arbitration
> Reply-To: "A process discussion list for U.S.-based IMCs" 
> <imc-us-process at lists.indymedia.org>
> 
> > From: David Gehrig <zemblan at earthlink.net>
> > To: imc-us-process at lists.indymedia.org
> > Subject: Re: [imc-us-process] Arbitration
> 
> 
> The conflict between SFBay IMC and SF-IMC, and David 
> Gehrig's having worn out his welcome at SF-IMC, are two 
> separate and unrelated issues. Certain people, Gehrig 
> himself apparently among them, are attempting to 
> confuse you by conflating them. Don't fall for it.
> 
> The conflict between SFBay-IMC and SF-IMC shouldn't 
> even be being discussed here. We have been asked 
> repeatedly not to. SF-IMC apologizes that y'all have had to 
> listen to problems that are not your own,  and sincerely 
> hopes that SFBay-IMC will show the common human 
> courtesy of joining us in refraining from further inflicting 
> our conflict upon the readers of this list. If you want to 
> talk, talk to me. If you don't want to talk to me, don't talk. 
> if you want a third party to relay messages, that's OK, too.  
> But either way, please stop annoying these people and 
> disrupting this list.
> 
> Gehrig's having worn out his welcome at SF-IMC, on the 
> other hand, is most relevant to this list. Unlike the SF-
> IMC/SFBay conflict, it actually does effect everyone  here. 
> It effects all of Indymedia. It particularly affects 
> Americans, because Zionism is primarily America's fault. 
> We foot the bill. Our money buys the weapons. The blood 
> is on our hands. The world knows this, and the world 
> hates us for it.  It behooves every American, especially 
> IMCistas, to at last take the right side on this issue, and 
> stand against oppression, by denouncing Israel for the 
> oppressor that it is, and denouncing its apologists for the 
> enablers they are.
> 
> (snip)
> 
> Continued at:
> 
> http://www.sfimc.net/news/2004/03/1683899.php
> 
> 
> Stop baby sea turtles from being crushed!
> http://www.care2.com/go/z/11745/1008
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