[CIMC-work] M4 center panel and trolls

Wed Mar 10 23:34:18 PST 2004

I think the M4 block is extremely beauteous, and belatedly retract my 
concerns. My whining stems in part from the fact that I really like the 'week in 
review' block idea (but am too lazy/overworked to undertake same regularly 
myself), and because there are some blocks I'd like to see get a longer half-life in 
center panel, but ... dammit, more center panel updates are better than less. 
By the way, Thomas, see the following story id's, courtesy of the vaunted JD: 
37426, 37427. Guess the dude is monitoring our listserve, as well? Don't stop 
there, either: 37472, 36753, 36605, 36157 and so forth. I wholeheartedly 
support hiding the stuff from these kinds of trolls (except where issues of 
continuity arise, and hiding same would hopelessly disrupt a thread).

On the other hand, when one is dealing with trolls, is 'deletion' such a bad 
idea? I'm just asking, in part because the 'hide' feature under the old code 
helped massively reduce spam, clearly racist posts, and so forth, allowing our 
wire to be surprisingly free of this crap, as opposed to other IMC's 
(discipline. It works!). Our aggressive approach to same under the old code helped cut 
spam alot, but it remains a problem (Garth, feel free to rally in here with a 
catalogue of misery). Might the dreaded 'delete' function be appropriately 
deployed against those who are clearly and consistently spamming the site? Again, 
just asking...if not, what is 'delete' for? Ian, any insights to the reason 
tech developed this particular function? Finally, Ian, do you know what other 
id's were 'deleted' rather than 'hidden', inadvertently or otherwise.

Super finally, in the interest of full disclosure, on the rare occasions 
after the new code deployment that I've 'hidden' posts, I've NEVER actually cited 
a reason for same. Maybe we should just work to consense on the notion that 
whoever hides a post should take a minute to make a note stating why...something 
really short and simple like "troll", "editorial violation", "no no no", or 
other appropriate keyword might be fine. Or maybe this is a really tedious and 
stupid idea (particularly since I think we've worked well on the principle of 
mutual trust and maximum empowerment re our approach to 'hiding' so far). 
Great thoughts, people?

ok, must sleep now.

christine

In a message dated 03/08/2004 9:00:40 AM Central Standard Time, 
mayday at riseup.net writes:

> Subj:[CIMC-work] M4 center panel 
> Date:03/08/2004 9:00:40 AM Central Standard Time
> From:mayday at riseup.net
> To:imc-chicago-working at lists.indymedia.org
> Sent from the Internet 
> 
> 
> 
> Hey,
> 
> regards the M4 center panel I guess Chris has some concerns.  (I write
> this knowing of course that I've already posted a center panel.)  I
> actually think it is better to have more features than less.  We had a
> little bit of discussion of this a couple of meetings ago.  That way the
> features would be more current.
> 
> While the downtown turnout was small for M4, I don't know that that should
> be a criteria for not having a feature on it.  In addition, the M4 actions
> were decentralized anyhow with events going on in dozens of schools and we
> had video and photo people at several of these decentralized events; the
> actual people count for the decentralized M4 actions is much greater than
> the die-hard activists that went to march in the rain downtown.
> 
> Plus, and most importantly, the kids are all right - and we need to engage
> them, they are our most rabid devotees.
> 
> paz,
> t
> y
> > Message: 8
> > Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 09:24:34 EST
> > From: ChrisGeovanis at aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [CIMC-work] M4 center panel
> > To: garthliebhaber at care2.com, imc-chicago-working at lists.indymedia.org
> > Message-ID: <3f.28d50c44.2d7ddc22 at aol.com>
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> > I'm wondering if we couldn't instead do another 'week in review' block
> > that
> > provides links to several stories that have broken in the last week and
> > related
> > video/photos. I say this because at least the downtown actions for M4 were
> > actually smaller than the Haiti demo the next day, and while size alone
> > shouldn't dictate the extent of coverage, a 'week' block would give us a
> > chance to
> > pull up other stories folks might have missed, as well  (church for gay
> > marriage,
> > anti-choice actions [happening today], Irrelevant Film Festival, St. Louis
> > peace train to Chicago, Chicago high school voter registration project,
> > rustbelt
> > Food Not Bombs gathering, and so forth).
> >
> > This way, we get to provide links to ALL coverage for each story, plus
> > give
> > folks a chance to revisit local stuff that they may have missed before it
> > cycles off the wire.
> >
> > christine
> >
> > In a message dated 03/07/2004 9:54:48 PM Central Standard Time,
> > garthliebhaber at care2.com writes:
> >
> >
> >> Subj:Re: [CIMC-work] M4 center panel
> >> Date:03/07/2004 9:54:48 PM Central Standard Time
> >> From:garthliebhaber at care2.com
> >> To:imc-chicago-working at lists.indymedia.org
> >> Sent from the Internet
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> yes, yes, good.  no blocks here.  i might even get some
> >> time after tuesday and finish getting my M4 pics together
> >> to contribute.  what a rainy day!
> >>
> >> ciao,
> >> g.
> >>
> >> Thomas Yun wrote:
> >> I'd like to do a center panel on M4.  I've touched base with
> >> some folks by
> >> verbal and some by phone.
> >>
> >> The center panel will include links to the "Weapons of
> >> Mass Destruction
> >> Scavenger Hunt" video as articles on Education not
> >> Empire, embedded
> >> journalism, and the downtown convergence, and some
> >> photos.
> >>
> >> Any blocks?
> >>
> >> paz,
> >> t
> >> y
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