(Burge police torture) Re: [CIMC-work] Re: process and culture

[Chris Kaihatsu]

Robert, Thomas Y., CIMC,

Robert, I have to take some exception to your characterization of our
editorial position as being "dogma." I really hope you can appreciate that
we, as a progressive news organization, have interests in maintaining an
atmosphere on our site of news-oriented posts, preferably from "grassroots"
sources.

I agree entirely with co-editor Christine Geovanis' comments to you, here:
chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/37547/index.php

Your first post was primarily about using CIMC website space for the
purposes of advancing a political candidate's position -- it was not
primarily news-oriented.
chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/37491/index.php

This post of yours, by contrast, actually included news, and is still
present in the main newswire -- not subjected to our "censorship," as you
put it.
chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/37583/index.php

Perhaps you will find it meaningful that the CIMC does not abide by
editorial policy that is 'politically expedient,' but actually devotes its
efforts to providing an open-publishing site for the self-participation of
the greater public.


Chris K.



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On 3/17/04 8:46 AM, "ROBERT ZAJAC" <cananwil at ureach.com> wrote:

> you are right about the swearing..
> 
> that does make it difficult.
> 
> i'd like you all to consider the fact that i feel
> being censored is even more profane than swearing,
> so at the time swearing didn't seem like much of
> a communication barrier to me, because i felt
> communication had already been lost in your
> censoring me. and i'm just the kind of person who
> is not going to be nice to people i feel are
> abusing me. the circuits just don't fire that way.
> 
> 
> that was why i wrote the long cryptic thing and
> put that in the commentary section, because i was
> trying to find a way around the people having the
> problem with the election... where a discussion
> ensued that was pretty fruitful, until one of you
> posted my pissy, but private email, and deepened
> the problem. please consider your own actions as
> well.. or we won't get anywhere.
> 
> had i realized there was this type of dogma
> prevelant at cimc, i would have couched the issue
> differently.. but i had no way of knowing.
> 
> i would have couched it in terms of the cover-up
> taking place by the media.. ignoring Brewers
> challenge to Devine..
> 
> Now, you must realize the Republican Candidate
> Spiwak is going to capitalize, he will bring up
> the torture, and the wrongfull convictions, and
> jon burge.. he will get the Trib endorsement.. the
> Trib have wanted this town to be republican for a
> long time.. it's kind of a no-brainer really. and
> there are people around here who know that.. but
> they just keep digging... "we'll deal with it
> later, we'll deal with it later". well later is
> just about now.. 
> 
> so.. please understand my frustration as i've
> watched people cut deals with devine and daley on
> this issue for the past ten years. when i see
> folks like you unknowingly falling prey.. it
> really just frankly pisses me off.
> 
> i feel offended by your censorship.. but at the
> same time see you as victims, because there are
> people among you who know this issue, but slide it
> to the back for short-term political expedience.
> and really muck things up for the long-term by
> doing so.
> 
> things are going to get sooo tough now. this might
> even find it's way to the presidential election
> because we were just about to get it dealt with
> when Clinton hired Bill Daley (Richies brother) to
> be the commerce secretary (this was like 93-94)..
> and that's when the deals started.. and the
> Republicans know that. so it'll be another Clinton
> scandal in a way.. and more fuel for the two-party
> thing that mucks everything up. so wanting to see
> brewer in there has it's reasons... and, he's
> really an ok guy.. he grew up in the Robert Taylor
> Homes. Am I going to criticize him for being a Fed
> at one time? I don't think so.
> 
> thanks for responding.
> 
> 
> ---- On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Thomas Yun
> (mayday at riseup.net) wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> sorry that you were offended.  In general, we
> are pretty tolerant of
>> discussion and I don't think any of have such
> big egos we won't admit if
>> we are wrong or not.
>> 
>> In terms of participating in collective
> discussion it is important that
>> all parties put some effort into being nice to
> one another.  I personally
>> will welcome any discussion you have to bring,
> but would politely ask you
>> to refrain from swearing.  It makes it hard to
> discuss things that way.
>> 
>> paz,
>> t
>> y
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> created on May Day 1973.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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