(Burge police torture) Re: [CIMC-work] Re: process and culture

[ROBERT ZAJAC]

ckaihatsu,

this is the last email i want to exchange with
you. i'm not interested in having any kind of
relationship with you. it is a waste of time for
me to have any more of this discussion with you,
though others have been reasonable.

even according to your own editorial policy, which
you can find at your website, there is absolutely
no reason my post should have been removed. it
fits under none of the criteria. there was nothing
commercial, nothing hateful, and nothing right
wing, and there is no mention on your website of
your idea of forbidden election information. 

others in your collective are welcome to
correspond with me and discuss this matter.
perhaps they'll be less likely to purport to speak
for the entire collective. 

for your information, there is a movement, within
the movement, that is committed to the maintenance
of the freedom of speech, and the rest of the bill
of rights. we believe that these rights need to be
extended to include all people of all cultures and
races, not just the wealthy and their bourgeois
children (and those who like to consider
themselves the official media), and we believe in
the right of fair and free elections, as a means
of delegating civic duties and responsibilities. 

we will be defending these rights as this society
begins it's next transformation. we will retain
our freedom of speech. 

please refrain from aggravating me with further
correspondance. 
















---- On Wed, 17 Mar 2004, Chris Kaihatsu
(ckaihatsu at myrealbox.com) wrote:

> Robert, Thomas Y., CIMC,
> 
> Robert, I have to take some exception to your
characterization of our
> editorial position as being "dogma." I really
hope you can appreciate that
> we, as a progressive news organization, have
interests in maintaining an
> atmosphere on our site of news-oriented posts,
preferably from "grassroots"
> sources.
> 
> I agree entirely with co-editor Christine
Geovanis' comments to you, here:
>
chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/37547/index.php
> 
> Your first post was primarily about using CIMC
website space for the
> purposes of advancing a political candidate's
position -- it was not
> primarily news-oriented.
>
chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/37491/index.php
> 
> This post of yours, by contrast, actually
included news, and is still
> present in the main newswire -- not subjected to
our "censorship," as you
> put it.
>
chicago.indymedia.org/newswire/display/37583/index.php
> 
> Perhaps you will find it meaningful that the
CIMC does not abide by
> editorial policy that is 'politically
expedient,' but actually devotes its
> efforts to providing an open-publishing site for
the self-participation of
> the greater public.
> 
> 
> Chris K.
> 
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> The lessons of the past few days in Spain must
be studied carefully by all
> those who wish to understand the nature of the
period through which we are
> passing. What has occurred in Spain will
tomorrow happen in Britain, the USA
> and every other country. We must be prepared!
> 
> www.marxist.com/Europe/lessons_of_spain0304.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/17/04 8:46 AM, "ROBERT ZAJAC"
<cananwil at ureach.com> wrote:
> 
> > you are right about the swearing..
> > 
> > that does make it difficult.
> > 
> > i'd like you all to consider the fact that i
feel
> > being censored is even more profane than
swearing,
> > so at the time swearing didn't seem like much
of
> > a communication barrier to me, because i felt
> > communication had already been lost in your
> > censoring me. and i'm just the kind of person
who
> > is not going to be nice to people i feel are
> > abusing me. the circuits just don't fire that
way.
> > 
> > 
> > that was why i wrote the long cryptic thing
and
> > put that in the commentary section, because i
was
> > trying to find a way around the people having
the
> > problem with the election... where a
discussion
> > ensued that was pretty fruitful, until one of
you
> > posted my pissy, but private email, and
deepened
> > the problem. please consider your own actions
as
> > well.. or we won't get anywhere.
> > 
> > had i realized there was this type of dogma
> > prevelant at cimc, i would have couched the
issue
> > differently.. but i had no way of knowing.
> > 
> > i would have couched it in terms of the
cover-up
> > taking place by the media.. ignoring Brewers
> > challenge to Devine..
> > 
> > Now, you must realize the Republican Candidate
> > Spiwak is going to capitalize, he will bring
up
> > the torture, and the wrongfull convictions,
and
> > jon burge.. he will get the Trib endorsement..
the
> > Trib have wanted this town to be republican
for a
> > long time.. it's kind of a no-brainer really.
and
> > there are people around here who know that..
but
> > they just keep digging... "we'll deal with it
> > later, we'll deal with it later". well later
is
> > just about now.. 
> > 
> > so.. please understand my frustration as i've
> > watched people cut deals with devine and daley
on
> > this issue for the past ten years. when i see
> > folks like you unknowingly falling prey.. it
> > really just frankly pisses me off.
> > 
> > i feel offended by your censorship.. but at
the
> > same time see you as victims, because there
are
> > people among you who know this issue, but
slide it
> > to the back for short-term political
expedience.
> > and really muck things up for the long-term by
> 


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