[CIMC-work] (SF dispute moving to Resolve list?) FW: [imc-us-process] On moving it to Resolve

[Chris Kaihatsu]

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The lessons of the past few days in Spain must be studied carefully by all
those who wish to understand the nature of the period through which we are
passing. What has occurred in Spain will tomorrow happen in Britain, the USA
and every other country. We must be prepared!

www.marxist.com/Europe/lessons_of_spain0304.html







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> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:16:40 -0800 (PST)
> To: "A process discussion list for U.S.-based IMCs"
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> Subject: Re: [imc-us-process] On moving it to Resolve
> 
> John's statement below is a clear statement of one part of Indymedia
> decision-making and governance structures which need to be addressed if
> Indymedia is to survive.
> 
> Responding to John's brainstorming request, and these are just
> brainstroming ideas:
> 
> 
> One step for the parties to take:
> Each party list the grievances they want to see addressed and perhaps by
> order of importance or which they wish to have addressed first.
> 
> Another step:
> Both parties agree to a structure for addressing the grievances, and to
> consequences of not keeping their commitment to the agreed upon structure
> including decisions regarding resolutions.
> 
> Eric
> 
>> I think it would be fantastic if the Resolve list was a place where we
>> could
>> refer conflicts and know that they'd be resolved.  Unfortunately, it
>> isn't.
>> 
>> 
>> This is a recurring pattern...
>> Let's call it: Sweep The Mess Under the Rug
>> 
>> Step 1: A conflict gets brought up that really needs to be dealt with.
>> Step 2: We have no mechanism to resolve it, and public net-based
>> discussions
>> make it somewhere from "no better at all" to "much worse".
>> Step 3: There is much lamenting over the lack of an effective process, how
>> much we hate watching the listserv fireworks, and how much people really
>> wish they could find a way to get back to making media and doing what we
>> all
>> love.
>> Step 4: The conflict gets pushed off to another list, or in dramatic cases
>> a
>> new list gets created for the conflict altogether.  This list was actually
>> born, in part, out of such a situation.
>> 
>> I guess we have an unlimited number of metaphorical rugs.  We can always
>> keep forwarding conflict to lists that don't resolve them and/or keep
>> creating new lists.  But the messes doesn't get truly dealt with, and good
>> people either leave Indymedia or are forced to resign themselves to a
>> really
>> unjust situation.
>> 
>> Yuck!
>> 
>> Let's finally do the work to create a process for resolving disputes where
>> voluntary, consensus-based attempts at resolution have failed.  Let's do
>> it
>> here--this is a *process* list after all, it fits our purpose, and we've
>> clearly got a lot of bright folks in "the room" who care about Indymedia
>> and
>> are process savvy.  And then we can give the SF conflict (and future
>> conflicts!) a true home where they get resolved.
>> 
>> As an added bonus, if we do it well, the arbitration model will also be
>> able
>> to be used by individual collectives when appropriate (like the mediation
>> model).
>> 
>> Personally, I think it's more pressing to address this process need before
>> the issue of global and regional decision making, since we have a
>> significant conflict that we've been asked to help with.
>> 
>> As a suggested starting point:
>> What are the properties that people think a good arbitration process
>> should
>> have?  If we can agree on general design goals, then it will help in
>> drafting something more concrete up.
>> 
>> Collaborating by listserv sucks deeply, but it's what we've got (I don't
>> want to jump over to wiki, since we'd loose so many people in the
>> process).
>> So I'm happy to take responsibility for keeping a compilation of
>> brainstormed ideas and posting the updated list with new addition
>> frequently.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
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