[CIMC-work] Fwd: Re: [IMC-Process] 4 open questions around the indymedia book

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Subject: Re: [IMC-Process] 4 open questions around the indymedia book
From: Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:41:33 +0800 (WST)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0405101440420.1069-100000 at guild.murdoch.edu.au>


5. mediation

we need some.

there seems a lot of upset , and everyone here needs to remember that your
all beautiful.

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"Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
-Aesop.
Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
http://www.perthimc.asn.au

On Thu, 6 May 2004, deyanira wrote:

> hello
> there are a number collectives discussing this - but it may take time. i
> think clara's questions will help organize the discussion better.
>
> hola
> hay varios colectivos discutiendo esto, pero puede llevar tiempo. creo que
> las preguntas de clara ayudarán a organizar la discusión.
>
> salud
> d (enlace imc-uruguay junto con maría) (imc-uruguay liaison together with
> maría)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "clara" <clara at ifrik.org>
> To: <imc-process at indymedia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:23 AM
> Subject: [IMC-Process] 4 open questions around the indymedia book
>
>
> > Hoi,
> >
> > summary: 4 open question, which i think should be discussed
> >
> > I think we shouldn't let the discussions that started the book made by
> > sphinx/valentine just slip away
> >
> > To me there are about 4 relevant issues, that seem not to be isolated
> > incidents, but part of a bigger context, so i think we do need to tackle
> them.
> >
> > 1) "published by Indymedia" - The book in question clearly states this
> > explicitely, and several people have raised concerns about that. These
> > concerns are regardless of the content of the book, but refer to the
> > understanding  there is no "central" Indymedia.
> > Sphinx does not seem to accept this argumentation, and so far there did
> not
> > seem to be an explanation from imc-print and UC IMC (as involved parties)
> > how they stand on this matter.
> > How can we avoid situations like this in future? And how do we stop this
> > book now being presented further as "the" Indymedia book, "published by
> > indymedia"?
> >
> > 2) "paid translations" - or paid Indymedia work in general. Sascha from UC
> > IMC claimed that it was normal to pay for Indymedia work and that there
> > would be no interference with the policy of local IMC if translations of
> > this book were paid for.
> > A lot of local IMCs object to any payment for indymedia work, but tolerate
> > different behaviour at other local IMCs.
> > Translations however are done all over the Indymedia network and quite
> > often for other collectives, like on www.indymedia, through
> > translations.indymedia or through personal contacts. The moment any IMCs
> > starts paying for translations, the rest of us will find ourselves in
> > competition for translators' times and efforts, and in so far this is
> > concerning the whole network and not just a local IMC.
> >
> > 3) "communication" - the communication on this project was extraordinary
> > bad, with unclear mails (like whether something was a brochure for a
> > conference, or a book to be distributed worldwide), different people
> > involved do not know what the otheres were doing (like was there already
> > money offered or not) and replies that look like the writer did not even
> > try to understand what the others were saying.
> > Indymedia is a lot about communication, and I think we should put much
> more
> > effort into communicating clearly and respectful among ourselves.
> >
> > 4) "should this book be translated at all?" - Critisism was voiced that
> the
> > documents and pages used in this book were outdated and are even replaced
> > by now. Also the group making this book did not contact for example the
> > new-imc working group for input and feedback even though it seem to be
> > meant for collectives that want to set up new IMCs. The book seem to be
> > lacking on other areas as well, a lack of quality coming from a lack of
> > transparency.
> > As it currently is an Indymedia book, the Indymedia network should be
> > involved in the question whether we want to distribute this book further
> by
> > translating it.
> >
> > I don't know what the best way would be of discussing this, but I feel we
> > just shouldn't let the discussion of this issues die out slowly, because
> at
> > some time we will encounter them with different projects again.
> >
> > Love and solidarity
> > clara
> >
> >
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