[CIMC-work] U-C's book

Wed May 12 17:34:18 PDT 2004

Garth, CIMC,

I am not pleased, either, with a book title coming out of one locality
which, by using the Indymedia name, claims to represent all of
Indymedia.

I still need to look at it, so I am mostly at a loss, but I'll be
returning to this issue shortly.

Chris K.

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Garth Liebhaber wrote:
>These are serious issues.  I would propose that our liason 
>Chris put forth a block on this book project until the 
>questions can be answered.  For example, that it was done 
>under the name of all Indymedias w/o their/our consent.
>
>garth
>
>------- Forwarded Message
> To: imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
> Cc: 
> Subject: Re: [IMC-Process] 4 open questions around the 
>indymedia book
> From: Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 14:41:33 +0800 (WST)
> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0405101440420.1069-
>100000 at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
> 
> 
> 5. mediation
> 
> we need some.
> 
> there seems a lot of upset , and everyone here needs to 
>remember that your
> all beautiful.
> 
> ------------------------------------
> "Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
> -Aesop.
> Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
> http://www.perthimc.asn.au
> 
> On Thu, 6 May 2004, deyanira wrote:
> 
> > hello
> > there are a number collectives discussing this - but it 
>may take time. i
> > think clara's questions will help organize the discussion 
>better.
> >
> > hola
> > hay varios colectivos discutiendo esto, pero puede 
>llevar tiempo. creo que
> > las preguntas de clara ayudarán a organizar la 
>discusión.
> >
> > salud
> > d (enlace imc-uruguay junto con maría) (imc-uruguay 
>liaison together with
> > maría)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "clara" <clara at ifrik.org>
> > To: <imc-process at indymedia.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:23 AM
> > Subject: [IMC-Process] 4 open questions around the 
>indymedia book
> >
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > >
> > > summary: 4 open question, which i think should be 
>discussed
> > >
> > > I think we shouldn't let the discussions that started 
>the book made by
> > > sphinx/valentine just slip away
> > >
> > > To me there are about 4 relevant issues, that seem 
>not to be isolated
> > > incidents, but part of a bigger context, so i think we 
>do need to tackle
> > them.
> > >
> > > 1) "published by Indymedia" - The book in question 
>clearly states this
> > > explicitely, and several people have raised concerns 
>about that. These
> > > concerns are regardless of the content of the book, 
>but refer to the
> > > understanding  there is no "central" Indymedia.
> > > Sphinx does not seem to accept this argumentation, 
>and so far there did
> > not
> > > seem to be an explanation from imc-print and UC 
>IMC (as involved parties)
> > > how they stand on this matter.
> > > How can we avoid situations like this in future? And 
>how do we stop this
> > > book now being presented further as "the" Indymedia 
>book, "published by
> > > indymedia"?
> > >
> > > 2) "paid translations" - or paid Indymedia work in 
>general. Sascha from UC
> > > IMC claimed that it was normal to pay for Indymedia 
>work and that there
> > > would be no interference with the policy of local IMC 
>if translations of
> > > this book were paid for.
> > > A lot of local IMCs object to any payment for 
>indymedia work, but tolerate
> > > different behaviour at other local IMCs.
> > > Translations however are done all over the Indymedia 
>network and quite
> > > often for other collectives, like on www.indymedia, 
>through
> > > translations.indymedia or through personal contacts. 
>The moment any IMCs
> > > starts paying for translations, the rest of us will find 
>ourselves in
> > > competition for translators' times and efforts, and in 
>so far this is
> > > concerning the whole network and not just a local 
>IMC.
> > >
> > > 3) "communication" - the communication on this 
>project was extraordinary
> > > bad, with unclear mails (like whether something was 
>a brochure for a
> > > conference, or a book to be distributed worldwide), 
>different people
> > > involved do not know what the otheres were doing 
>(like was there already
> > > money offered or not) and replies that look like the 
>writer did not even
> > > try to understand what the others were saying.
> > > Indymedia is a lot about communication, and I think 
>we should put much
> > more
> > > effort into communicating clearly and respectful 
>among ourselves.
> > >
> > > 4) "should this book be translated at all?" - Critisism 
>was voiced that
> > the
> > > documents and pages used in this book were 
>outdated and are even replaced
> > > by now. Also the group making this book did not 
>contact for example the
> > > new-imc working group for input and feedback even 
>though it seem to be
> > > meant for collectives that want to set up new IMCs. 
>The book seem to be
> > > lacking on other areas as well, a lack of quality 
>coming from a lack of
> > > transparency.
> > > As it currently is an Indymedia book, the Indymedia 
>network should be
> > > involved in the question whether we want to 
>distribute this book further
> > by
> > > translating it.
> > >
> > > I don't know what the best way would be of 
>discussing this, but I feel we
> > > just shouldn't let the discussion of this issues die out 
>slowly, because
> > at
> > > some time we will encounter them with different 
>projects again.
> > >
> > > Love and solidarity
> > > clara
>
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