(IMCN mailing address for legal correspondence) Re: [CIMC-work] (UCIMC is Indymedia'sfiscalsponsor)Fwd:[IMC-Process] DNS:

[Chris Kaihatsu]

>Please be more careful before you mis-characterize what I said.  I did
>not specify Sascha but rather the behavior and structuring of the UC-IMC.
>This is not the first time you have risen to UC-IMC's defense without
>examination. 


Don, (CIMC,)

I am aware of Sascha/UC-IMC's history of unrepresentative actions, which
I referred to below. I am not defending UC-IMC in any way (or have I
ever) -- I was requesting a rundown, which I'm glad you just outlined. 


>Perhaps we all can chat on Friday.


It is precisely over matters such as this one that I prefer the use of
this list, as issues and sub-issues can be addressed point-by-point.


>Moreover, it is simply very bad practice to have financial and legal
>control in _any_ one location, even if it were one which had been adhering
>to collective decision making.


Since functionality within the IMC network is the crux of the issue here,
it *would* make all the difference whether a location was adhering to
collective decision-making or not.

However, to address your reservation, I'd be part of a consensus that
specifies an alternative. So far there have been three main
suggestions: Buffalo (NY) IMC, any non-U.S. IMC, and Brazil IMC. See
below....


Chris K.




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>[IMC-Process] Indy legal/DMCA 
>Buffalo IMC info at buffaloimc.org 
>Fri Apr 30 00:21:45 PDT 2004 
>Here's a thought: 
>I spoke to one of the attornies here in our buffalo office (where Sodor, 
>Dissent and Deskaheh live) it is also an office colocated with the New York 
>affiliate of the American Civil Liberties Union. We would be more than happy to 
>take legal mail here. As most folks recall, we were probably the only IMC city 
>not to get hassled (or subpoenaed) ovver FTAA coverage. Some of us have always 
>believed that it was because of the relationship with the Civil Liberties 
>Union. 
>If it makes more sense to point it to UC-IMC because of the financial 
>relationship then no problem. Just thought we would throw that out if it 
>helped. 
>John C
>Buffalo imc
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>[Imc-communication] Re: [IMC-Process] Re: [Dns] record update
>andrés apb at swissmail.org 
>Tue May 11 03:59:38 PDT 2004 
>
>[en] I'm worried that if the domain indymedia.org gets closed down for
>'legal' reasons in the US, that closes the domain for the whole world.
>The rights of freedom of expression and of information appear to be
>increasingly under threat in the US.
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>[Imc-communication] Re: [IMC-Process] Re: [Dns] record update
>ferry Ben la_toyax at yahoo.com 
>Wed May 12 11:23:16 PDT 2004 
>oi all,
>just to keep ppl informed i have emailed brasil's
>collectives and some ppl have answered me..we havent
>come with a proposal yet but some ppl is considering
>has brasil as the contact.
>later this week (when all the collectives will have
>their local meetings and we will come with a consensus
>on the proposal) i will email you all the br
>proposal..
>ciao
>toya
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donald goldhamer wrote:
>Chris K,
>
>Please be more careful before you mis-characterize what I said.  I did
>not specify Sascha but rather the behavior and structuring of the UC-IMC.
>This is not the first time you have risen to UC-IMC's defense without
>examination. Perhaps we all can chat on Friday.
>
>"Hosting formal roles" does not begin to describe what I was referring to
>-- their history of bypassing collective process regarding funding,
>publishing, new-imc creation, and other instances, or the structure and
>governance of UC-IMC itself.
>
>Moreover, it is simply very bad practice to have financial and legal
>control in _any_ one location, even if it were one which had been adhering
>to collective decision making.
>
>--Don
>
>>Garth, Don, CIMC,
>>Yeah, it's undeniable that UC-IMC has exhibited a distinct pattern of
>>hosting formal roles. On the legal mailing address issue, however,
>>Sascha has said that he will wait for the larger IMC network to make a
>>decision. See:
>
>>>Just let me know how things are decided.
>>>--Sascha
>>lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-chicago-working/2004-May/003374.html
>
>>I would characterize this issue, as usual, as being one of activity: If
>>a larger network process of decision-making is needed, then it must be
>>done, or else formal roles and unrepresentative actions may be taken
>>by Sascha (or anyone) simply based on initiative.
>
>>While I appreciate Don's input, I would like to see some documentation
>>of Don's allegations of Sascha's "corporate mentality" -- a serious
>>characterization -- and his alleged "concentration" of "power." Simply
>>holding a formal role does not necessarily confer greater power and/or
>>abuse of power.
>
>>I appreciate Garth's stance on the "IMC-book" issue -- I'll address it
>>in a separate email.
>>Chris K.
>
>>donald goldhamer wrote:
>>>I think that UC-IMC would be a bad choice for indymedia.com's registered
>>>address, for several reasons:
>
>>> 1. UC-IMC seems to be drifting (have drifted) toward a corporate mentality
>>>    which does NOT reflect the nature of IMC.
>>> 2. concentration of power (financial AND legal in one location!) is a great
>>>    temptation to abuse.  Was the process around "the book" an example of
>>>    this? 
>>>--Don
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