[CIMC-work] allegations of censorship

Thu May 13 23:14:41 PDT 2004

Sam, Don, all,

I searched for the specified URL at Google, and came up with the page,
which is reproduced below, except for a little photoillustration of the
guy-with-his-head-up-his-own-ass. The page didn't come up for me when I
only used the URL itself.

The Chicago Independent Media Center does not delete, or purge, any
posts. At worst, any one of our authorized editors has the means to hide
articles which are deemed to be in violation of our site's editorial
policy guidelines. Hidden articles can still be viewed by the public by
clicking on the link at the bottom of the right-hand column.

Thanks for your concern, and for using our site!

Chris Kaihatsu, volunteer
Chicago Independent Media Center

donald goldhamer wrote:
>1. I can find no record of this article, hidden, deleted, or otherwise on our
>   site.  Does anyone know anything about it.
>
>2. Should we attempt to straighten this out?
>
>--Don
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>Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:16:25 -0700 (PDT)
>From: sam rossiter <ozzysamuk at yahoo.com>
>To: imc-chicago at indymedia.org
>Subject: [Imc-chicago] please rebut these allegations
>
>Hi Chicago
>
>I know it's tiresome but someone has been throwing accusations of
>'censorship' around on the global newswire
>  http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/05/802959.shtml
>
>Apparently you deleted the following post, It doesnt seem to break any
>guidelines to me...  was it's deletion a mistake?
>
>I think it would be good if one of you could answer the allegation on the
>newswire, just to clear it up.
>
>Cheers Sam 
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>President George Bush is now declaring that he's terribly "shocked and
>disturbed" over the photo "evidence" of the torture and murder of Iraqi
>prisoners by their U.S.Marine captors.
>
>But how can President Bush be shocked and disturbed by the torture and
>murder of (*innocent until proven guilty!) Iraqis when President Bush is
>actively and willingly involved in a conspiracy with Ariel Sharon and the
>Israeli Govt. to abuse;torture and murder another group of Middle East
>Arabs,namely the Palestinians!
>
>Ariel Sharon is a documented "War Criminal" and "Mass Murdered" - President
>Bush knows this only too well,as he also knows the history of Sharon's
>"Secret Police" the Mossad and their ongoing genocidal program of illegal
>arrests,torture and murder against the Palestinians. Yet even knowing all
>these grisly facts, President Bush recently invited the infamous Ariel
>Sharon to the White House and gave him the U.S.Govt.'s Red Carpet VIP
>treatment!
>
>President Bush also gave Sharon the U.S.Govt.s full support (financially &
>militarily) to continue the Israeli Govt.s genocidal assault on the
>indigenous Palestinians - which means more illegal arrests, more torture
>and more murders and more military assaults on Palestinian villages and
>refugee camps - using (U.S.Tax-Payer supplied) tanks;helicopter gun-ships
>and jet fightrers to achieve Sharon and the Israeli's Govt's. greedy and
>evil objective.
>
>So for President Bush to say that he's terribly "shocked and disturbed" by
>the torture and murders that his US Marines carried out in Fallujah,when at
>the same time he's helping Sahron and the Israeli Govt. commit the same and
>worse "atrocities" against the Palestinians, is about as deep and genuine
>as Bush's avowed and much hyped Christianity.
>
>k.hawley
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http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/newswire/2004/05/802959.shtml

>Chicago Indymdeia's Problem With Censorship
>Jackson Stonewall 12 May 2004 15:58 GMT 
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>Chicago Indymedia is off the wall, their censorship problem is just as obvious as below
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>Chicago Indymdeia's Problem With Censorship 
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>Chicago Indymedia is off the wall, their censorship problem is just as obvious as below! 
>
>The unheard of censorship at Chicago's Indymedia has gone WAY out of control! They will welcome gay & lesbian material with open arms. They openly delete articles that are focused on regaining American principles and standards, not to mention ANYTHING with a religious overtone of the slightest nature unless it¹s Buddhist, Jewish, satanic, critical of all American troops or patriots, or just almost pornographic. 
>Who writes their standards? Everything is a Policy Violation, but they offer no policies to be read ANYWHERE on their site to even know if you might be violating one. NO other Indymedia acts this way, 
>They also show blatantly discrimination against ALL Christian postings, they forbid that someone might actually learn a little truth. Much less rail against churchianity and give real meat instead of pabulum. Their problem IS just as obvious as above. Some lawyers are looking into the problem. 
>How can we hope to ever get REAL America back with censorship like Chicago observes. 
>Jackson Stonewall 
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> e-mail:: j_stonewall at hotmail.com 
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>add a comment on this article 
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>What a fruitcake you are!
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>reader 12.May.2004 16:57 
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>No concrete example, just ranting and raving. 
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>I am not from the chicago imc, yet in less than a minute I found the editorial policy. 
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> http://chicago.indymedia.org/mod/info/display/about/index.php#editorial 
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>That alone should show that little, if any, of what you say is true, since you can't even get that right. 
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>Chicago Indymedia.org CENSORED a number of my posts!!!
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>k.hawley 12.May.2004 18:00 
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>Hi Jackson! and I know exactly what you mean Chicago.Indymedia.org CENSORED/DELETED a number of my posts!!! They even DELETED my complaint about them Deleting my article! So their CENSORSHIP is pervasive and finely focused on keeping out ideas and opinions that gibe with their narrow political mindset and agenda! But they're not alone in this CENSORING thought and ideas for othert Indymedia sites are the same or worse! For example New York City Indymedia.org "WON'T" allow (and immediately DELETES!) any articles that "Criticize" the (illegal) State of Israel or its Fascist policies! 
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>The question now becomes: What "Good" is having a so-called Indy Media when they soon become controlled by a bunch of narrow minded,right wing "Censoring" fascists? 
>k.hawley 
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>*The article that Chicago.Indymedia.org "CENSORED/DELETED" on me is below:............................................................. 
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>President George Bush is now declaring that he's terribly "shocked and disturbed" over the photo "evidence" of the torture and murder of Iraqi prisoners by their U.S.Marine captors. 
>But how can President Bush be shocked and disturbed by the torture and murder of (*innocent until proven guilty!) Iraqis when President Bush is actively and willingly involved in a conspiracy with Ariel Sharon and the Israeli Govt. to abuse;torture and murder another group of Middle East Arabs,namely the Palestinians! 
>Ariel Sharon is a documented "War Criminal" and "Mass Murdered" - President Bush knows this only too well,as he also knows the history of Sharon's "Secret Police" the Mossad and their ongoing genocidal program of illegal arrests,torture and murder against the Palestinians. Yet even knowing all these grisly facts, President Bush recently invited the infamous Ariel Sharon to the White House and gave him the U.S.Govt.'s Red Carpet VIP treatment! 
>President Bush also gave Sharon the U.S.Govt.s full support (financially & militarily) to continue the Israeli Govt.s genocidal assault on the indigenous Palestinians - which means more illegal arrests, more torture and more murders and more military assaults on Palestinian villages and refugee camps - using (U.S.Tax-Payer supplied) tanks;helicopter gun-ships and jet fightrers to achieve Sharon and the Israeli's Govt's. greedy and evil objective. 
>
>So for President Bush to say that he's terribly "shocked and disturbed" by the torture and murders that his US Marines carried out in Fallujah,when at the same time he's helping Sahron and the Israeli Govt. commit the same and worse "atrocities" against the Palestinians, is about as deep and genuine as Bush's avowed and much hyped Christianity. 
>k.hawley
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>Sabatuers in The Media
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>Mark 13.May.2004 10:47 
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>Chicago Indy is run like someones personal fiefdom. There is no accountability, the decisiion makers are unfair, the y promote factionalism in the within the media reform movement within the region. 
>I quit trying with them and I am sure Ashcroft is pleased
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