[CIMC-work] (thread of discussion about the Francophone-list request) Fwd: Re: RE : RE : [IMC-Process] Deadline for thelist francophone@indymedia.org

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To: "Quebec.Indymedia" <IMC_quebec at cmaq.net>
Cc: imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
Subject: Re: RE : RE : [IMC-Process] Deadline for thelist	francophone at indymedia.org
From: sieste <sieste at no-log.org>
Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 11:33:47 +0200
Message-ID: <40A886FB.1080903 at no-log.org>

[EN] Hello.

We want to insist on the importance of the name "francophone". First, 
this name is easily recognizable, and there's not any kind of 
geographical restriction. indeed, even if all the participants are for 
l'instant of Europan being , we wish to make this list a point of 
meeting and co-operation with the others indymedia with which we share a 
common language (Senegal, Morocco, Lebanon, Congo, etc...). Finally the 
name "europe-fr" cannot be appropriate in this case.

We underscore the useful of this list: that will enable us for example 
to work together on a basis of common data, like the documents twiki, 
the translations, the dispatching, etc... It's also a means to avoid to 
emcumbrate the mailing lists of the imc concerned.
That made almost 2 months that all the participating indymedias await 
this list, we despair to see one day this liste.
We hope for that a decision will be taken within the shortest deadlines.

Thank you.

sieste

[FR] 

Bonjour.

Nous voulons insister sur l'importance du nom "francophone". En plus
d'être facilement reconnaissable, ce nom permet de qu'il n'y ai aucune
restriction géographique, en effet, même si tous les participants sont
pour l'instant de type Européen, nous souhaitons faire de cette liste un
point de rencontre et de coopération avec les autres indymedia avec qui
nous partageons une langue commune (Sénégal, Maroc, Liban, Congo,
etc...). C'est pourquoi le nom "europe-fr" ne peut convenir dans ce cas.

Notons l'aspect utile de cette liste: cela nous permettra par exemple de
travailler ensemble sur une base de donnée commune, comme les documents
twiki, les traductions, le dispatching, etc... Cela est aussi un moyen
pour éviter d'encombrer les mailing listes des imc concernés.

Cela fait presque 2 mois que tous les indymedias participants attendent
cette liste, nous commençons peu à peu à déspérer. Nous espérons qu'une
décision sera prise dans les plus bref délais.

Merci.

Sieste

Quebec.Indymedia a écrit :

> Hi,
> [EN]I've been following the creation of this list on process since the 
> middle of April. The first person who had proposed the list was Romain.
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-April/005649.html
> [FR]Je suis la création de cette liste sur process depuis la mi-avril. 
> La première personne qui a proposé la liste, c'est Romain.
> http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-April/005649.html
> [EN]I contacted Romain personnaly by email so he could explain me the 
> needs for such a list. The only clear explanation I got was that 
> french speaking people needed a list to communicate  between themselfs 
> to avoid posting on each local list.
> [FR]J'ai contacté Romain personnellement pour qu'il m'explique la 
> nécessité d'une telle liste. La seule explication claire que j'ai 
> reçu, c'est que les francophones ont besoins d'une liste pour qu'ils 
> puissent éviter d'envoyer des courriels à chacunes des listes locales.
> [EN]I went back to IMC-Quebec collective to get a clear position on 
> the situation. It was decided that we didn't oppose the proposition 
> but we don't see the use for this list.
> [FR]Je suis retourné au collectif d'IMC-Québec pour obtenir une 
> position claire sur la situation. Il a été décidé qu'on ne s'opposait 
> pas à la proposition, mais qu'on ne voyait l'utilité de cette liste.
> [EN]So, I think that our day to day situation in the province of 
> Quebec has shaped the response to this proposal. Cause we live in a 
> province where we are raise separetly by language(school system) and 
> after in culture. They call it the two solitudes. In the IMC-Quebec 
> collective, we try to avoid that and make everyone work together. So 
> the idea of creating a list by language would only encourage division 
> instead of cooperation.
> [FR]Je crois que la situation au jour le jour dans la province de 
> Québec a formé notre réponse à cette proposition. Car on vie dans une 
> province où on nous élève séparément selon la langue(système scolaire) 
> et après dans la culture. On l'appel les deux solitudes. Dans le 
> collectif IMC-Quebec, on tente d'éviter ça en faisant travailler tout 
> le monde ensemble. Alors, l'idée de créer une liste selon la langue 
> encouragerait la balkanisation plutôt que la coopération.
> [EN]Finally, I think that the best solution would be to let the list 
> creation go on but with a name that clearly says that it is french 
> speaking but from Europe. (ex: Europe-FR, Franco-Europe...)
> [FR]Finalement, je crois que la meilleure solution soit de laisser la 
> liste se créer, mais avec un nom qui indique clairement que c'est pour 
> les francophones de L'Europe. (ex: Europe-FR, Franco-Europe...)
> -x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
> liaison for IMC-Quebec/CMAQ
> PAT L. = pml at cmaq.net
> ___________________________________________________________________
>
> turlututu writes:
>
>> Hey,
>> In fact the name "francophone" could have been a source of problem, but
>> apparently it's not the case and this list is even considered as good
>> idea. 
>> I propose to accept this list because logically it shouldn't pass by
>> imc-process, so no deadline is needed. I'll send a copy of this mail to
>> listwork.
>> A+
>> turlututu
>>  
>>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : sheri at speakeasy.org [mailto:sheri at speakeasy.net] Envoyé : 
>> dimanche 16 mai 2004 17:40
>> À : turlututu; imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
>> Objet : Re: RE : [IMC-Process] Deadline for the list
>> francophone at indymedia.org
>> hi,
>> there's never been a policy or a practice of getting approval from the
>> process list for setting up a new list, of any kind.  i think the one
>> thing this list was used for with regard to setting up lists was (1) to
>> notify people that a new list had been created so people knew (2)
>> letting the network know if the list would be set up somewhere other
>> than lists.indymedia.org.  both good practices.
>> peace,
>> sheri
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: turlututu [mailto:turlututu at indymedia.org]
>>> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 08:57 PM
>>> To: imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
>>> Subject: RE : [IMC-Process] Deadline for the list
>>
>> francophone at indymedia.org
>>
>>>
>>> Hey, i've got the same opinion as Clara. I never saw me either that a
>>> mailing list proposal should pass by the imc-process. So I don't see
>>
>> why
>>
>>> we should wait an approval to create it...
>>> Bye.
>>> turlututu 
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : imc-process-bounces at lists.indymedia.org
>>> [mailto:imc-process-bounces at lists.indymedia.org] De la part de clara
>>> Envoyé : vendredi 14 mai 2004 22:08
>>> À : genex; imc-process at lists.indymedia.org
>>> Objet : Re: [IMC-Process] Deadline for the list
>>> francophone at indymedia.org
>>> Hoi,
>>> I think it  is a great idea to have a list of french speaking IMCs.
>>> I don't really understand why you ask for approval of such a mailing
>>> list. I can't remember seeing that for any other list, and i think 
>>> it should
>>> be okay without such an approval.
>>> love and solidarity
>>> clara
>>>  
>>>
>>> At 12:38 14/05/2004, genex wrote:
>>> >where is the proposition ?
>>> >
>>> >aloha
>>> >X
>>> >
>>> >On Wed, 12 May 2004 15:50:42 +0200
>>> >sieste <sieste at no-log.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hi I'm sieste from the imc Nantes (France)
>>> > >
>>> > > We submit to the process the acceptation of the mailing-list
>>
>> called
>>
>>> > > "francophone at indymedia.org" ( French-speaking person At
>>> > > indymedia.org). The deadline is for May 25.
>>> > >
>>> > > This list is the continuation of the meeting of the indymedia
>>> > > French-speaking (Paris, Lille, Nantes, Liege, Bruxelle, Lyon,
>>> geneve,
>>> > > Marseille, Clermont-Ferrand, Toulouse, Grenoble, Suisse
>>
>> Romande...)
>>
>>> > > having taken place during the month of April.
>>> > > The goal of this list is to enable us to continue our debates, to
>>> > > share our information, to prepare future meetings, technical
>>> > > advanced... This list want to be the work space for all the french
>>> > > speaking person(Senegal, Quebec, North Africa...)
>>> > >
>>> > > Voila a bientot
>>> > >
>>> > > sieste
>>> > >
>>> > >
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