[Imc-cleveland] Re: [New-imc] Re: [IMC-Tech] Re: [IMC-Editorial] Warning! Aryan nations using your bandwidth!!! -from Boston IMC

Thu May 27 17:36:55 PDT 2004

I agree.  Damn trolls.

>From: Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
>To: Micah Anderson <micah at indymedia.org>
>CC: nessie at sfbg.com, 
>imc-tech at indymedia.org,imc-process at lists.indymedia.org, Pete Stidman 
><petestid at yahoo.com>,wildelotus at aol.com, 
>new-imc at lists.indymedia.org,imc-cleveland at lists.indymedia.org, Chuck0 
><chuck at mutualaid.org>,imc-editorial at indymedia.org
>Subject: [Imc-cleveland] Re: [New-imc] Re: [IMC-Tech] Re: [IMC-Editorial] 
>Warning! Aryan nations using your bandwidth!!! -from Boston IMC
>Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:47:22 +0800 (WST)
>
>
>The best part about taking a pro-active anti nasi policy is that it works!
>Seriously. But you gotta nip that sucker in the bud early before it gets
>out of hand.
>
>These facist twerps thrive on attention, and if you starve em off it, they
>go away.
>
>As the good folk of Sonic Youth would say in paraphrase "you gotta bury em
>man"
>
>------------------------------------
>"Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
>-Aesop.
>Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
>http://www.perthimc.asn.au
>
>On Tue, 25 May 2004, Micah Anderson wrote:
>
> > In the US people have this ideal of freespeech that some IMCs have
> > held above that of equalizing the media inequalities existant in our
> > society. Many have felt that "Open Publishing" means "Free Speech" and
> > have missed the well-established history of right-wing/corporate
> > co-optation and abuse of such venues (ie. the IMC is not Usenet, or it
> > should not be). This is a nice ideal to have, until your IMC becomes a
> > festering pit of pornography, right-wing manifestos, nazi propaganda,
> > duplicate posts and commercial slithering. Many IMCs caved under this
> > pressure, or at least the "little green footballs" website people
> > claim responsibility for such destruction (they also claim Indymedia
> > is a project of Bill O'Reilly and is actually a Nazi project based in
> > Idaho, go figure). Some IMCs have matured their understanding of the
> > "free speech" and have developed editorial policies to return to their
> > IMC roots, some have great difficulty in constructing these policies,
> > and some have great difficulty in maintaining these policies.
> >
> > In any case, this information needs to make it out to the New IMC
> > process and documents so that incoming IMCs can learn from past IMCs
> > trials and tribulations.
> >
> > I speak only of the US, because I understand it, I will not pretend to
> > be presumptous of IMCs outside of the US.
> >
> > micah
> >
> > On Mon, 24 May 2004, Chuck0 wrote:
> >
> > > nessie at sfbg.com wrote:
> > >
> > > >This is not an isolated incident. Our enemies are using sites across 
>the
> > > >network to broadcast their propaganda. In mongering propaganda, and
> > > >worse, appear even once, on even one IMC local, it discredits all
> > > >Indymedia and every IMCista. It directly infringes on our ability to 
>do
> > > >authentic journalism and effective organizing. In journalism,
> > > >credibility is everything. If left unchecked, this will destroy
> > > >Indymedia. All the work we have done will have been for naught.
> > > >
> > > >It's been particularly bad at Vancouver-IMC. I've been harassing them
> > > >about it for weeks, Before that, realizing that they might be short
> > > >handed, I offered to help. I'm good at editing. I keep SF-IMC troll
> > > >free. Our traffic reflects this. Quality content brings in regular
> > > >traffic. Trash drives away the very people we are trying hardest to
> > > >attract. Vancouver-IMC's editors didn't even have the common, human
> > > >decency to answer my email until after I called them in public. They
> > > >repeatedly defended their practice of permitting Nazi propaganda, and
> > > >worse, to be broadcast over their bandwidth, by saying "diversity is
> > > >beautiful."
> > > >
> > > >When Nazi propaganda  is published under your name and logo, people 
>are
> > > >going to assume that you, too are a Nazi sympathizer. This is a fact 
>of
> > > >life. When Vancouver-IMC publishes this crap, it hurts *all* of us, 
>and
> > > >all Indymedia. It must stop.
> > > >
> > > >It's a global problem. It needs a global solution. That requires 
>global
> > > >process. When I brought it up on the [imc-process] mailing list, I 
>was
> > > >told to go away.
> > > >
> > > >See:
> > > >
> > > >http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-May/date.html
> > > >
> > > >Now I don't know what to do. I subbed to the [imc-editorial] list in
> > > >hopes that there would be people here discussing IMC editorial 
>policy.
> > > >Instead, until this email, I saw nothing but ad spam. We could change
> > > >that by beginning to discuss here this crucial issue.
> > > >
> > > >What are we going to do about Indymedia's reputation, and our own, 
>being
> > > >destroyed by misuse of our name and logo by our mortal enemies? There
> > > >must be some solution. What is it?
> > >
> > > I agree 100% with Nessie. One of my main motivations for writing my
> > > popular essay, "The Sad Decline of Indymedia"
> > > <http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/12/08/2553147>, 
>was
> > > to point out that inaction by IMC concerning these right wing assaults
> > > was contributing to an atmosphere where Indymedia was being 
>discredited
> > > and IMCs were turned into places that were unfriendly to DIY
> > > journalists. I suspect that that essay hit a chord across the network
> > > because many other IMC stakeholders shared similar concerns. Many IMCs
> > > took action after that essay appeared and implemented new moderation
> > > policies. These efforts improved the situation, but I've always
> > > suspected that the years of inaction drove away more potential IMC
> > > participants than have been gained back since things were improved.
> > >
> > > Of course, as Nessie points out, right wing disruption of IMC websites
> > > is especially bad on individual sites where the moderation is lax,
> > > nonexistent, or simply misguided. As Nessie explains, most people 
>don't
> > > understand the distinction between open publishing and content 
>published
> > > under the Indymedia name. Some of the smarter members of the right 
>wing
> > > understand this difference, but they exploit it by telling people that
> > > Indymedia publishes anti-Semitic and hate speech. We can't control 
>what
> > > these people say about Indymedia, but we can clean up our own act so
> > > that people don't get that impression when they visit our IMC sites.
> > >
> > > This is one of many problems that the international network has to 
>take
> > > a stronger stand on. It's not necessary to hand down an edict, but
> > > perhaps interested people could collaborate on a how-to document which
> > > explains why it is important to keep right wing garbage off of our
> > > newswires. This document could then be circulated to local IMCs to 
>raise
> > > awareness.
> > >
> > > Chuck0
> > >
> > > See also:
> > > 
>http://chuck.mahost.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
> > >
> > >
> > >
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