[IMC-Process] RE: [Imc-cleveland] Re: [New-imc] Re: [IMC-Tech] Re: [IMC-Editorial] Warning! Aryan nations using your bandwidth!!! -from Boston IMC

[ferry Ben]

our problem in brasil when we raise the discussion of
having a filter...
it was the pre-moderation of publishment...
in our case we have a big concern on it because of our
pass in the country with censurship and we want to be
carefull to not get on that...
so a pre-moderation could be seen as censurship by the
ppl who use indymedia...and we didnt want to get on
this position...
that was our problem using filters (mir our software
has this option on it)....
ciao
toya


--- laura hartman <lalaimc at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I agree.  Damn trolls.
> 
> 
> >From: Shayne O'Neill <shayne at guild.murdoch.edu.au>
> >To: Micah Anderson <micah at indymedia.org>
> >CC: nessie at sfbg.com, 
>
>imc-tech at indymedia.org,imc-process at lists.indymedia.org,
> Pete Stidman 
> ><petestid at yahoo.com>,wildelotus at aol.com, 
>
>new-imc at lists.indymedia.org,imc-cleveland at lists.indymedia.org,
> Chuck0 
> ><chuck at mutualaid.org>,imc-editorial at indymedia.org
> >Subject: [Imc-cleveland] Re: [New-imc] Re:
> [IMC-Tech] Re: [IMC-Editorial] 
> >Warning! Aryan nations using your bandwidth!!!
> -from Boston IMC
> >Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 15:47:22 +0800 (WST)
> >
> >
> >The best part about taking a pro-active anti nasi
> policy is that it works!
> >Seriously. But you gotta nip that sucker in the bud
> early before it gets
> >out of hand.
> >
> >These facist twerps thrive on attention, and if you
> starve em off it, they
> >go away.
> >
> >As the good folk of Sonic Youth would say in
> paraphrase "you gotta bury em
> >man"
> >
> >------------------------------------
> >"Must not Sleep! Must warn others!"
> >-Aesop.
> >Shayne O'Neill. Indymedia. Fun.
> >http://www.perthimc.asn.au
> >
> >On Tue, 25 May 2004, Micah Anderson wrote:
> >
> > > In the US people have this ideal of freespeech
> that some IMCs have
> > > held above that of equalizing the media
> inequalities existant in our
> > > society. Many have felt that "Open Publishing"
> means "Free Speech" and
> > > have missed the well-established history of
> right-wing/corporate
> > > co-optation and abuse of such venues (ie. the
> IMC is not Usenet, or it
> > > should not be). This is a nice ideal to have,
> until your IMC becomes a
> > > festering pit of pornography, right-wing
> manifestos, nazi propaganda,
> > > duplicate posts and commercial slithering. Many
> IMCs caved under this
> > > pressure, or at least the "little green
> footballs" website people
> > > claim responsibility for such destruction (they
> also claim Indymedia
> > > is a project of Bill O'Reilly and is actually a
> Nazi project based in
> > > Idaho, go figure). Some IMCs have matured their
> understanding of the
> > > "free speech" and have developed editorial
> policies to return to their
> > > IMC roots, some have great difficulty in
> constructing these policies,
> > > and some have great difficulty in maintaining
> these policies.
> > >
> > > In any case, this information needs to make it
> out to the New IMC
> > > process and documents so that incoming IMCs can
> learn from past IMCs
> > > trials and tribulations.
> > >
> > > I speak only of the US, because I understand it,
> I will not pretend to
> > > be presumptous of IMCs outside of the US.
> > >
> > > micah
> > >
> > > On Mon, 24 May 2004, Chuck0 wrote:
> > >
> > > > nessie at sfbg.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >This is not an isolated incident. Our enemies
> are using sites across 
> >the
> > > > >network to broadcast their propaganda. In
> mongering propaganda, and
> > > > >worse, appear even once, on even one IMC
> local, it discredits all
> > > > >Indymedia and every IMCista. It directly
> infringes on our ability to 
> >do
> > > > >authentic journalism and effective
> organizing. In journalism,
> > > > >credibility is everything. If left unchecked,
> this will destroy
> > > > >Indymedia. All the work we have done will
> have been for naught.
> > > > >
> > > > >It's been particularly bad at Vancouver-IMC.
> I've been harassing them
> > > > >about it for weeks, Before that, realizing
> that they might be short
> > > > >handed, I offered to help. I'm good at
> editing. I keep SF-IMC troll
> > > > >free. Our traffic reflects this. Quality
> content brings in regular
> > > > >traffic. Trash drives away the very people we
> are trying hardest to
> > > > >attract. Vancouver-IMC's editors didn't even
> have the common, human
> > > > >decency to answer my email until after I
> called them in public. They
> > > > >repeatedly defended their practice of
> permitting Nazi propaganda, and
> > > > >worse, to be broadcast over their bandwidth,
> by saying "diversity is
> > > > >beautiful."
> > > > >
> > > > >When Nazi propaganda  is published under your
> name and logo, people 
> >are
> > > > >going to assume that you, too are a Nazi
> sympathizer. This is a fact 
> >of
> > > > >life. When Vancouver-IMC publishes this crap,
> it hurts *all* of us, 
> >and
> > > > >all Indymedia. It must stop.
> > > > >
> > > > >It's a global problem. It needs a global
> solution. That requires 
> >global
> > > > >process. When I brought it up on the
> [imc-process] mailing list, I 
> >was
> > > > >told to go away.
> > > > >
> > > > >See:
> > > > >
> > > >
>
>http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2004-May/date.html
> > > > >
> > > > >Now I don't know what to do. I subbed to the
> [imc-editorial] list in
> > > > >hopes that there would be people here
> discussing IMC editorial 
> >policy.
> > > > >Instead, until this email, I saw nothing but
> ad spam. We could change
> > > > >that by beginning to discuss here this
> crucial issue.
> > > > >
> > > > >What are we going to do about Indymedia's
> reputation, and our own, 
> >being
> > > > >destroyed by misuse of our name and logo by
> our mortal enemies? There
> > > > >must be some solution. What is it?
> > > >
> > > > I agree 100% with Nessie. One of my main
> motivations for writing my
> > > > popular essay, "The Sad Decline of Indymedia"
> > > >
>
<http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=02/12/08/2553147>,
> 
> >was
> > > > to point out that inaction by IMC concerning
> these right wing assaults
> > > > was contributing to an atmosphere where
> Indymedia was being 
> >discredited
> > > > and IMCs were turned into places that were
> unfriendly to DIY
> > > > journalists. I suspect that that essay hit a
> chord across the network
> > > > because many other IMC stakeholders shared
> similar concerns. Many IMCs
> > > > took action after that essay appeared and
> implemented new moderation
> > > > policies. These efforts improved the
> situation, but I've always
> > > > suspected that the years of inaction drove
> away more potential IMC
> > > > participants than have been gained back since
> things were improved.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, as Nessie points out, right wing
> disruption of IMC websites
> > > > is especially bad on individual sites where
> the moderation is lax,
> > > > nonexistent, or simply misguided. As Nessie
> explains, most people 
> >don't
> > > > understand the distinction between open
> publishing 
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