[Imc-finance] Re: [Imc-Belgium-finance] PROPOSAL D -- funding request from South Africa IMC
lady red kitten
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Fri Aug 30 08:46:05 2002
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<P>I think that's ok ... <BR><BR>I think the IMC-Belgium finance team doesn't feel involved into that kind of discussion ... Mostly because this list is filled up with mails, question/answer, polemics, the all in English, so not many people want to follow all that.<BR><BR>So Bart, as liaison person, should summarize the discussions. How do you want us to agree or not with something if we don't have an overview of it? As far as i know, you're following the discussions on global level, so it shouldn't be so difficult to summarize it a bit, from time to time, and especially when you ask us to make a decision ... [btw.: you took it as a task long time ago, didn't you? ]<BR><BR>Well, it would be nice. But for the moment i don't think there're any good reason to disagree with this proposal, is it?<BR><BR>cheerz /// love2all [ and kill the bastards! ]<BR><BR>/// r e d . k i t t e n /// [ r e d . k i t t e n ]<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>>From: Bart <BART@INDYMEDIA.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>>To: Sascha Meinrath <SASCHA@UCIMC.ORG>
<DIV></DIV>>CC: francois@alternatives.ca, imc-finance@indymedia.org,imc-sa@lists.indymedia.org
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: [Imc-finance] PENDING: PROPOSAL D -- funding request from South Africa IMC
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:55:14 +0200
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<DIV></DIV>>Hey Everyone,
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I didn't get any reactions back from the belgium finance team.
<DIV></DIV>>So I think I can say we agree with this.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Bart
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Sascha Meinrath heeft geschreven:
<DIV></DIV>>| Hi Vishal (et al.),
<DIV></DIV>>|
<DIV></DIV>>| Thanks for sending this to translation. These are good questions
<DIV></DIV>>Vishal
<DIV></DIV>>| -- in answer to your first, as far as I know, no funding ammount
<DIV></DIV>>criteria
<DIV></DIV>>| was set for emergency funding. Francois, could you respond to
<DIV></DIV>>Vishal's
<DIV></DIV>>| second question since that may affect what process we utilize.
<DIV></DIV>>|
<DIV></DIV>>| Thanks,
<DIV></DIV>>|
<DIV></DIV>>| --Sascha
<DIV></DIV>>|
<DIV></DIV>>| On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, Vishal Singh wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>|
<DIV></DIV>>|
<DIV></DIV>>|>all.
<DIV></DIV>>|>
<DIV></DIV>>|>as far as i could tell this proposal was not sent
<DIV></DIV>>|>translation@lists.indymedia.org so i went ahead and did so.
<DIV></DIV>>|>
<DIV></DIV>>|>also i have a couple of questions before i can personally make a
<DIV></DIV>>decision
<DIV></DIV>>|>about sending this money or not:
<DIV></DIV>>|>
<DIV></DIV>>|>1) i origially thought that the emergency funding was limited to
<DIV></DIV>>$500 but
<DIV></DIV>>|>after reading the meta-proposal again it seems that there is no
<DIV></DIV>>limit to
<DIV></DIV>>|>emergency funding. is there no limit to emergency funding?
<DIV></DIV>>|>
<DIV></DIV>>|>2) if we approve this in the two-day deadline, how much time will
<DIV></DIV>>that
<DIV></DIV>>|>leave SA-IMC between when they recieve the money and when the WSSD
<DIV></DIV>>is
<DIV></DIV>>|>finished? if it is less than two days then the money may not be
<DIV></DIV>>of much
<DIV></DIV>>|>use - at least not for this one event. in which case we would not
<DIV></DIV>>be in
<DIV></DIV>>|>an 'emergency funding situation'.
<DIV></DIV>>|>
<DIV></DIV>>|>i am not representing a local imc with this email- just myself.
<DIV></DIV>>|>peace.
<DIV></DIV>>|>vishal.
<DIV></DIV>>|>st louis imc.
<DIV></DIV>>|>
<DIV></DIV>>|>
<DIV></DIV>>|>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>SUMMARY: funding request from South Africa IMC representatives
<DIV></DIV>>posted.
<DIV></DIV>>|>>DECISION DEADLINE: August 30, 2002 (Noon GMT)
<DIV></DIV>>|>>***
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>Hi Prishani & Francois,
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>Thanks for posting your grant request. I understand your
<DIV></DIV>>frustration;
<DIV></DIV>>|>>however, this is the first proposal that was sent to the
<DIV></DIV>>|>>imc-finance@indymedia.org list that I know of. To maintain the
<DIV></DIV>>|>>transparency and democracy of our process, we can only consider
<DIV></DIV>>|>>proposals made by IMCs to this list and thus reviewable to all
<DIV></DIV>>working
<DIV></DIV>>|>>group participants.
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>The following proposal has been posted to our list and is
<DIV></DIV>>available at:
<DIV></DIV>>|>>http://kropotkin.indymedia.org/moin/moin.cgi/FinanceWorkingGroupSummary
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>*******************
<DIV></DIV>>|>>*** PROPOSAL D: ***
<DIV></DIV>>|>>*******************
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>> *POSTED: August 28, 2002 by Francois (South Africa IMC; via
<DIV></DIV>>Sascha)
<DIV></DIV>>|>>*DISCUSSION PERIOD: August 28-30, 2002
<DIV></DIV>>|>> *DECISION DEADLINE: August 30, 2002 (Noon GMT)
<DIV></DIV>>|>> *PASSED: ***PENDING***
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>To approve the following expenditures for media equipment and
<DIV></DIV>>supplies
<DIV></DIV>>|>>for the South Africa IMC following our emergency funding
<DIV></DIV>>proceedures:
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>1 dv camera R15 000.00 (1,500 US$)
<DIV></DIV>>|>>Mini-disk player R4 000.00 ( 400 US$)
<DIV></DIV>>|>>Dv & md cassettes R2 000.00 ( 200 US$)
<DIV></DIV>>|>>Printing R1 000.00 ( 100 US$)
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>TOTAL R22 000.00 (2,200 US$)
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>**********************
<DIV></DIV>>|>>*** END PROPOSAL D ***
<DIV></DIV>>|>>**********************
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>All constructive comments and support are welcome.
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>In solidarity,
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>--Sascha Meinrath
<DIV></DIV>>|>>Urbana-Champaign IMC
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>On Wed, 28 Aug 2002, francois wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>Dear IMC-finance group,
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>It has been some time now since we submitted a proposal for
<DIV></DIV>>assistance
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>around our programme on the World Summit on Sustainable
<DIV></DIV>>Development
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>(WSSD) and we are disappointed that we have still not received a
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>response from the Finance Committee. Now that the WSSD is upon
<DIV></DIV>>us and
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>there is significant repression of critical voices, we are
<DIV></DIV>>forced to
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>apply to the emergency fund as we are in desperate need of money
<DIV></DIV>>to
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>ensure a significant Indymedia presence at the summit and
<DIV></DIV>>particularly
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>in covering the protests. With the brute force employed by the
<DIV></DIV>>police
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>over the last week, it is expected that their heavy-handedness
<DIV></DIV>>will
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>increase over the period of the heads of state meeting. We are
<DIV></DIV>>in
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>dire need of dv cameras, in particular, to ensure that the facts
<DIV></DIV>>are
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>adequately recorded and to ensure some degree of protection in
<DIV></DIV>>the
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>demonstrations. With the South African state determined to
<DIV></DIV>>portray
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>protests as the actions of a small group of unruly northern
<DIV></DIV>>activists
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>who have joined with a small group of ultra-leftist South
<DIV></DIV>>Africans,
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>Indymedia-SA has a critically important role to play in
<DIV></DIV>>countering the
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>propaganda of the state and the mainstream media.
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>We have successfully raised the funds to cover half our core
<DIV></DIV>>expenses.
<DIV></DIV>>|>>> At present, however, we have only 2 dv cameras as we had the
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>unfortunate experience of having our third camera stolen last
<DIV></DIV>>week.
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>We are currently trying all means to get additional funds to
<DIV></DIV>>beef up
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>our programme. We would therefore urge the Committee to
<DIV></DIV>>consider the
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>revised emergency request below:
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>1 dv camera R15 000.00
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>Mini-disk player R4 000.00
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>Dv & md cassettes R2 000.00
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>Printing
<DIV></DIV>> R1 000.00
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>TOTAL
<DIV></DIV>> R22 000.00 (2,200 US$)
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>The amount above would be a significant contribution towards
<DIV></DIV>>helping
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>us meet our overall costs.
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>We hope that you will respond positively and swiftly to our
<DIV></DIV>>request
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>noting the urgency of the matter.
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>Yours,
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>Prishani Naidoo & Francois LEcuyer
<DIV></DIV>>|>>>for Indymedia South Africa
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>- --
<DIV></DIV>>"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
<DIV></DIV>>and
<DIV></DIV>>I'm not sure about the former." (Einstein)
<DIV></DIV>>
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