[Imc-finance] Re: [Editorialarg] PROPUESTA FINANZAS

[evan@protest.net]

Just for the record, incase anybody is confused. I think this is generally
a good proposal and i don't want to block it. Beyond that, i'm not a
liason and i CAN'T block anything.

What i would like is for us to know a little more about imc argentina's
finances given they are asking for opperational support. We have limited
funds and should use them as effectivily as possible.

I've talked to Nikito and he says that it might be possible to forward a
copy of the budget. That would more than answer any questions i have.

The Argentina imc has done amazing great work. I'm proud that i was able
to be involved in the initial discussions in Buenos Aires when it formed
almost two years ago, and help in the little bit that i can. The Argentina
Indyemdia activists do incredible work with very little resources. They
should get more. But we should also try and support other imc's who have
needs for resources.

in solidarity,
evan

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, jb wrote:

> Compas de IMCarg, ni voy a hacer un sumario en castellano, ya es tarde, l=
o
> tradusco todo ma=F1ana.
>
> Summary:
>
>   Replying to the 2nd point Evan raises, being worry about IMC Argentina
>   receiving large infusions of cash from overeas source and not relying o=
n
>   national donations. I try to make clear why IMC Argentina doesn't recei=
ve
>   financial donations from national sources due to the situation here.
>
> Side note:
>
>   Being one of the fews that speak english in the collective and due to t=
he
>   urgence of the situation, i feel free to answer to this process list wi=
th
>   my words and opinions.
>
> > Sorry for only responding in english.
> >
> > Summary: Support of the $500 emergency funding, questioning the
> > =09 opperational support. And a request that this proposal be
> > =09 reformated so it's readable.
> >
> > I do have a questions though. To use an Argentine phrase "God holds
> > mass in Buenos Aires." I'm wondering if all of this money is just for
> > events/imc coverage in the capital or will be be used around the
> > country. The Rosario Collective (a seperate new-imc approved imc) has
> > also been searching for an extra digital or video camera to cover this
> > week of protests as well.
> >
> > On the second topic, i'm a little worried about ongoing opperational
> > support grant. You do lay it out bellow but the formatting makes it
> > very dificult to read. I also think it would be good to include some
> > history of past donations (both from the global fund and those other
> > big anonymous donations).
>
> > I get worried when an IMC starts to rely on large infusions of cash fro=
m
> > over seas on a continual basis to keep afloat.
>
> I would like to know how Indymedia Argentina or a similar organization
> would survive without overseas donations of money. I am afraid you don't
> know about the situation in Argentina.
>
> Let me outline a point you may find silly and totally out of context if
> taken from a northern point of view: Indymedia Argentina receives donatio=
ns
> on a daily basis, that can be donations of food or mate, and each of its
> member is invited to eat with the assemblies we are working with.
>
> To evaluate the importante of these donations, you need to know that most
> members of the collective have been unemployed for a very long time and
> still are, that these people, who are media activists you couldn't dream =
of,
> don't have half a US dollar to eat most of the time; some of them are
> homeless also. They are not hungry and homeless for fun or for enjoying t=
he
> alternative side of life, they are because Argentina has been
> methodogically destroyed in the last decades, they are in deep sh1t in th=
esame state of more that 60% of the population, that can't live in the
> capitalist system and is inventing other mode of survivance and developme=
nt.
>
> The 60 percents of the population I am talking about are the ones Indymed=
ia
> has been built for; in Argentina, the people that have sympathies for
> Indymedia are out of the capitalist system, excluding it and excluded fro=
m
> it, some of them work on a daily basis to destroy it.
>
> How would they manage to give money, computers, cameras, video cameras,
> films, batteries, network cables or hubs ? They are striving to have clea=
n
> water to drink or comestible food to eat. The donations imc-arg receives
> are composed of what people sometimes have, that maybe food and mate.
> Money, no.
>
> The respect and brotherhood people show to indymedia activists in protest
> has no financial counterpart, the people that protest and walk in the
> streets, the people of the various MTD, Asembleas and decent politicalmov=
ement can't gave us the money they don't have. Should they have the money
> they need, our IMC would pack every day stocks of cameras and computers t=
o
> send to others IMCs in the need.
>
> > On the other hand, we're all aware of what happened to the
> > argentine banks.
>
> Banks are fine. People here, including most of the medium class, don't ha=
ve
> bank accounts and didn't have bank account when the coralito stroke. The
> victims of the so called coralito where people that have thousands of
> dollars of savings, aka ahoristas, which are not known to be a public of
> IMC Argentina.
>
>
> The international money that has been send before has been burnt in writi=
ng
> parts of the 68,000 articles of Indymedia Argentina, buying computers to
> publish and internet connections and repair the hardware have broken.
> It is likely that one or two pizza have been bought also.
>
> Assuming she has a work, an Argentinian is likely to earn 10 pesos per da=
y,
> thats 2.74 us dollars, the same price as a 36-pictures photo film.
> Alternatively , with 10 pesos, she can buy 5 batteries to feed a digital
> camera some hours. Amazingly, that the money my flatmate earned before sh=
e
> got fired from her job last week, as she took the photos of the last
> repression here (friday) she now need to devolve the 10 fucking pesos to
> who gave her the 36-photo film.
>
> I can't believe i am writing this to support a 500 us dollars donation.
> Have a look at the site.
>
>
>
>
>
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