[Imc-finance] Ford Foundation -- clarifications from the UCIMC:
Luis
Luis" <luis at indymedia.org
Mon Sep 16 19:31:15 2002
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Hi Sascha and all,
There are a couple of things I don't understand.
You said the money isn't going to be donated to the Indymedia Network as a
whole, but to the UC IMC instead. But isn't the money been SPECIFICALLY
donated for funding meetings between the various IMCs on the Indymedia
Network? Because, if it's the case, then I think (and I'm sure I can speak
for the entire CMI Belo Horizonte collective) that this decision should be
taken by ALL the IMCs that are going to be part of those meetings and not
by the UC IMC, since they are not the only ones who are going to make use
of that money. Could you please explain it to me? Isn't the money being
donated just to fund meetings between several IMCs or is it just an idea
of how we could use that money?
And the other thing is, even though I totally agree that local IMCs should
not have veto power over other IMCs projects and decissions, I believe
that each IMC has to know that they are part of a network and that they
decisions can sometimes have a negative impact on some other or even
several other IMCs. I respect the UC IMC autonomy just like I respect the
CMI BH autonomy, but since this donation can have a negative impact on
other IMCs, specially on IMC Argentina, I think we should definitely talk
this issue over and over and over again until we can reach a consensus
about it. Until then, I think no decision should be made about accepting
or not this donation.
Cheers (and sorry about my poor english),
Luis,
CMI BH.
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From: "Sascha Meinrath" <sascha@ucimc.org>
To: <imc-finance@indymedia.org>; <imc-process@indymedia.org>;
<encuentros@indymedia.org>
Cc: <finance@ucimc.org>
Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: [Imc-finance] Ford Foundation -- clarifications from the UCIMC:
> Hi everyone,
>
> In an effort to diffuse some of the miscommunication going around I
wanted
> to clarify a few things. Many active IMC participants have been working
> on the Ford Foundation grant for many months. A group of Indymedia
> activists formed an autonomous affinity group to do this. In addition,
> this group, "encuentros," affiliated with the Urbana-Champaign IMC to
help
> get funding to support IMC organizing and communication.
>
> The group is not, and has never been acting or speaking on behalf of the
> Global IMC Network -- it is an autonomous group of people working with
the
> UCIMC. The funding we are looking for would be utilized by multiple
IMCs
> (at their discretion) to support regional gatherings of IMC
participants,
> and in this way, would help strengthen the IMC Network as a whole (and
> thus, perhaps comes the recent confusion). But this is not a Global IMC
> Network project.
>
> Recent postings to multiple Global lists have made it clear that the
> process being utilized was not made clear enough to other IMC
participants
> by those of us who have been working on this project. So I want to be
> explicit about what this group is (and is not) and clarify my concerns
> concerning disempowering individual IMCs working within the Network.
>
> The Urbana-Champaign IMC has worked with multiple different IMCs and
> Indymedia projects -- our goal being to support local Indymedia
activists
> with the resources we have available. We have helped fund IMC-Nigeria,
> IMC-Palestine, IMC-Argentina, DC-IMC, NYC-IMC, IMC-Chiapas, etc. and
have
> been the fiscal sponsors of multiple other media projects. We have
> supported the individual decision-making processes of these sponsored
> projects and do not feel that it is our place to question the financial
> decisions and funding sources of these projects.
>
> At no time have the decisions of one of our projects been scrutinized as
> has the Ford Foundation grant. Certainly, many of these projects have
> made individual decisions that would be dissapproved of (and perhaps
even
> despised by) other IMCs and Indymedia participants. But a major
strength
> of our Network is the coexistence of mutual support _and_ autonomy of
> individual IMCs and their projects. We share a common goal of creating
> media, global justice, democracy, transparency, etc. but certainly
differ
> in our ideas and tactics on how this should be achieved. I am deeply
> concerned that the work of an autonomous group of Indymedia participants
> not be undermined by misconstruals about who they have been speaking for
> or representing. Anyone wishing to read the actual grant will see
clearly
> that the Grantee is the UCIMC -- not the Global IMC Network.
>
> Portrayals of the Ford Foundation as either good or bad presents a false
> dichotomy of the situation -- a few aspects of the Ford Foundation are
> quite atrocious; at the same time, many of the programs and
organizations
> that the Ford Foundation has funded are among the most liberating and
> radical in the world -- they have certainly done an amazing amount of
good
> in the world also. As I have mentioned before, I fully respect
> IMC-Argentina's desire not to accept funding because of the Ford
> Foundation's history in Argentina and will work to find other funding
> sources for those who do not wish to accept Ford Foundation funding; but
I
> think that it is innappropriate for individual IMCs to have veto power
> over the work and financial decisions of other IMCs.
>
> In the end, I know that many IMCs would benefit greatly from having
access
> to travel funding; it is somewhat of a Faustian bargain about whether to
> accept these funds. However, it is also a decision that should be left
to
> the affinity group that has been working on this project for the past
six
> months. If we do otherwise I fear we will seriously undermine autonomy
> and trust within the Network.
>
> In solidarity,
>
> --Sascha Meinrath
> Urbana-Champaign IMC
>
>
>
>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Sascha and all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There are a couple of things I don't=20
understand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You said the money isn't going to be =
donated to the=20
Indymedia Network as a whole, but to the UC IMC instead. But isn't the =
money=20
been SPECIFICALLY donated for funding meetings between the various IMCs =
on the=20
Indymedia Network? Because, if it=92s the case, then I think (and I'm =
sure I can=20
speak for the entire CMI Belo Horizonte collective) that this decision =
should be=20
taken by ALL the IMCs that are going to be part of those meetings and =
not by the=20
UC IMC, since they are not the only ones who are going to make use of =
that=20
money. Could you please explain it to me? Isn't the money being donated =
just to=20
fund meetings between several IMCs or is it just an idea of how we could =
use=20
that money?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>And the other thing is, even though I =
totally agree=20
that local IMCs should not have veto power over other IMCs projects and=20
decissions, I believe that each IMC has to know that they are part of a =
network=20
and that they decisions can sometimes have a negative impact on some =
other or=20
even several other IMCs. I respect the UC IMC autonomy just like I =
respect the=20
CMI BH autonomy, but since this donation can have a negative impact on =
other=20
IMCs, specially on IMC Argentina, I think we should definitely talk this =
issue=20
over and over and over again until we can reach a consensus about it. =
Until=20
then, I think no decision should be made about accepting or not this=20
donation.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers (and sorry about my poor=20
english),<BR>Luis,<BR>CMI BH.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Sascha Meinrath" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:sascha@ucimc.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>sascha@ucimc.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:imc-finance@indymedia.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>imc-finance@indymedia.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>;=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:imc-process@indymedia.org"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>imc-process@indymedia.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>>;=20
<</FONT><A href=3D"mailto:encuentros@indymedia.org"><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>encuentros@indymedia.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cc: <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:finance@ucimc.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>finance@ucimc.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2002 4:39=20
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: [Imc-finance] Ford Foundation =
--=20
clarifications from the UCIMC:</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>> Hi everyone,<BR>> <BR>> In an effort to diffuse some =
of the=20
miscommunication going around I wanted<BR>> to clarify a few =
things. =20
Many active IMC participants have been working<BR>> on the Ford =
Foundation=20
grant for many months. A group of Indymedia<BR>> activists =
formed an=20
autonomous affinity group to do this. In addition,<BR>> this =
group,=20
"encuentros," affiliated with the Urbana-Champaign IMC to help<BR>> =
get=20
funding to support IMC organizing and communication.<BR>> <BR>> =
The group=20
is not, and has never been acting or speaking on behalf of the<BR>> =
Global=20
IMC Network -- it is an autonomous group of people working with =
the<BR>>=20
UCIMC. The funding we are looking for would be utilized by =
multiple=20
IMCs<BR>> (at their discretion) to support regional gatherings of IMC =
participants,<BR>> and in this way, would help strengthen the IMC =
Network as=20
a whole (and<BR>> thus, perhaps comes the recent confusion). =
But this=20
is not a Global IMC<BR>> Network project.<BR>> <BR>> Recent =
postings to=20
multiple Global lists have made it clear that the<BR>> process being =
utilized=20
was not made clear enough to other IMC participants<BR>> by those of =
us who=20
have been working on this project. So I want to be<BR>> =
explicit about=20
what this group is (and is not) and clarify my concerns<BR>> =
concerning=20
disempowering individual IMCs working within the Network.<BR>> =
<BR>> The=20
Urbana-Champaign IMC has worked with multiple different IMCs and<BR>> =
Indymedia projects -- our goal being to support local Indymedia=20
activists<BR>> with the resources we have available. We have =
helped=20
fund IMC-Nigeria,<BR>> IMC-Palestine, IMC-Argentina, DC-IMC, NYC-IMC, =
IMC-Chiapas, etc. and have<BR>> been the fiscal sponsors of multiple =
other=20
media projects. We have<BR>> supported the individual =
decision-making=20
processes of these sponsored<BR>> projects and do not feel that it is =
our=20
place to question the financial<BR>> decisions and funding sources of =
these=20
projects.<BR>> <BR>> At no time have the decisions of one of our =
projects=20
been scrutinized as<BR>> has the Ford Foundation grant. =
Certainly, many=20
of these projects have<BR>> made individual decisions that would be=20
dissapproved of (and perhaps even<BR>> despised by) other IMCs and =
Indymedia=20
participants. But a major strength<BR>> of our Network is the=20
coexistence of mutual support _and_ autonomy of<BR>> individual IMCs =
and=20
their projects. We share a common goal of creating<BR>> media, =
global=20
justice, democracy, transparency, etc. but certainly differ<BR>> in =
our ideas=20
and tactics on how this should be achieved. I am deeply<BR>> =
concerned=20
that the work of an autonomous group of Indymedia participants<BR>> =
not be=20
undermined by misconstruals about who they have been speaking =
for<BR>> or=20
representing. Anyone wishing to read the actual grant will see=20
clearly<BR>> that the Grantee is the UCIMC -- not the Global IMC=20
Network.<BR>> <BR>> Portrayals of the Ford Foundation as either =
good or=20
bad presents a false<BR>> dichotomy of the situation -- a few aspects =
of the=20
Ford Foundation are<BR>> quite atrocious; at the same time, many of =
the=20
programs and organizations<BR>> that the Ford Foundation has funded =
are among=20
the most liberating and<BR>> radical in the world -- they have =
certainly done=20
an amazing amount of good<BR>> in the world also. As I have =
mentioned=20
before, I fully respect<BR>> IMC-Argentina's desire not to accept =
funding=20
because of the Ford<BR>> Foundation's history in Argentina and will =
work to=20
find other funding<BR>> sources for those who do not wish to accept =
Ford=20
Foundation funding; but I<BR>> think that it is innappropriate for =
individual=20
IMCs to have veto power<BR>> over the work and financial decisions of =
other=20
IMCs.<BR>> <BR>> In the end, I know that many IMCs would benefit =
greatly=20
from having access<BR>> to travel funding; it is somewhat of a =
Faustian=20
bargain about whether to<BR>> accept these funds. However, it =
is also a=20
decision that should be left to<BR>> the affinity group that has been =
working=20
on this project for the past six<BR>> months. If we do =
otherwise I fear=20
we will seriously undermine autonomy<BR>> and trust within the=20
Network.<BR>> <BR>> In solidarity,<BR>> <BR>> --Sascha=20
Meinrath<BR>> Urbana-Champaign IMC<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> =
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