[Imc-finance] say no more

[Sebastian Hacher]

Hola
i just wanna say that i totaly desagre in how the finance list is working.
I wanna make a call to discuss the blicero proposal of the finance list
like a liason lists
and not for lot of people english spoken using it like a forum.
It's non democratic than lot of english people talks a lot; we don't have
all day to translate
what individual people of the norths thinks. And is not respectfull for
collectives that have a long
process to make an statment or a proposal.

If some people thinks that we work in a "non practic way", please, give us
the example not writing imposibles emails.


i also have an email account that says "get off of the internet and go to
the streets"


a hug and respect from the middle of the world


sebastian






On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Chuck0 wrote:

> frank wrote:
>
> > Please explain to me what non-capitalist money is.  Also, how does money
> > from Ford differ from money from GM-via-a-pop-band?
>
> It isn't this simple. It's not just a problem with where the money comes
> from, but one of values, privilege, Americanism, professionalism, and on and on.
>
> The Ford Foundation is quite a different entity than GM. My apartment
> complex--which is one of the last places that offers "affordable housing" in
> Arlington--was rescued from developers by our tenants association, which
> worked with county officials and the Fannie Mae Foundation. We managed to get
> a local nonprofit to buy our complex and the deal was made possible by money
> from Fannie Mae. Then in December I'm invited to this ceremony in my complex,
> complete with tent, heat, catering, school choir, and a bevy of country and
> state officials. I was paid $25 under the table by Fannie Mae to attend this
> event. Several of us put two and two together later and figured out that
> Fannie Mae had set up this event to take pictures for their future outreach
> purposes.
>
> In other words, Fannie Mae is going to use my neighborhood as publicity to
> make themselves look good. This is what the Ford Foundation would do if we
> took a big chunk of money from them.
>
> I've heard some things lately at my local IMC meeting about how the IMC-UC is
> still pursuing more grant money for the IMC network, in this case, via an
> unofficial "emergency tactical media fund." There is nothing stopping an
> autonomous group from starting a project like this, but I'd like to suggest
> that perhaps the folks in Urbana-Champaign haven't examined the political
> implications of their actions. I'm from Kansas myself, so I understand that
> when you don't live in a diverse community, you aren't going to be aware of
> the political and privileged decisions that you are making.
>
> I'm also wondering why the folks associated with the IMC-UC were/are pursuing
> large grants for the IMC network. Why is this money needed? For computer
> servers? Isn't their some feeling in the IMC network that local IMC should be
> self-sustaining financially? My firm belief is that local IMC should be
> locally supported and that they should stay away from grants. In fact,
> perhaps the IMC network should talk about banning the use of grants to fund
> IMCs. Why? Because an IMC should be funded by its supporters and
> participants, not some remote liberal foundation. If an IMC can't be
> supported by its local people, then it has no reason to exist. I don't think
> any of us want to see a situation develop where a local IMC is funded by the
> Pew Memorial Trust for a handful of IMCistas who have no desire to get their
> community involved.
>
> Of course, there are good reasons to seek grant money for special projects,
> such as IMC movies, but I think that IMCs should stay away from grants to pay
> the rent.
>
> Chuck0
>
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