[Imc-finance] Re: say no more
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agitkid at hotmail.com
Mon Feb 10 01:50:06 2003
With all due respect sebastian, I don't find this discussion to be
anti-democratic (we can still translate those emails). I agree the
translation has been bad. But we need a forum for discussions surrounding
these very important financial questions. What do you propose? What do
others propose? What has been the standard practice? (my lack of
participation here is my own ignorance)
for the record, I have written 3 emails total to this list in the last year
(this being the 4th), and probably the last two years. I am deeply concerned
about the discussion around money and i am currently the only representative
from los angeles who is putting time into this. many of us had discussions
about these very issues.
the issues being raised need to continue somewhere, and clearly with better
translation.
In Solidarity,
chris
LA IMC
>From: Sebastian Hacher <sebastian@linefeed.org>
>To: Chuck0 <chuck@mutualaid.org>
>CC: frank <frank@riseup.net>, ". .:.:cburn:.:. ." <agitkid@hotmail.com>,
><imc-process@indymedia.org>, <imc-finance@lists.indymedia.org>,
><evan@protest.net>
>Subject: say no more
>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 21:21:10 -0800 (PST)
>
>
>
>Hola
>i just wanna say that i totaly desagre in how the finance list is working.
>I wanna make a call to discuss the blicero proposal of the finance list
>like a liason lists
>and not for lot of people english spoken using it like a forum.
>It's non democratic than lot of english people talks a lot; we don't have
>all day to translate
>what individual people of the norths thinks. And is not respectfull for
>collectives that have a long
>process to make an statment or a proposal.
>
>If some people thinks that we work in a "non practic way", please, give us
>the example not writing imposibles emails.
>
>
>i also have an email account that says "get off of the internet and go to
>the streets"
>
>
>a hug and respect from the middle of the world
>
>
>sebastian
>
>
>
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>
>On Sun, 9 Feb 2003, Chuck0 wrote:
>
> > frank wrote:
> >
> > > Please explain to me what non-capitalist money is. Also, how does
>money
> > > from Ford differ from money from GM-via-a-pop-band?
> >
> > It isn't this simple. It's not just a problem with where the money comes
> > from, but one of values, privilege, Americanism, professionalism, and on
>and on.
> >
> > The Ford Foundation is quite a different entity than GM. My apartment
> > complex--which is one of the last places that offers "affordable
>housing" in
> > Arlington--was rescued from developers by our tenants association, which
> > worked with county officials and the Fannie Mae Foundation. We managed
>to get
> > a local nonprofit to buy our complex and the deal was made possible by
>money
> > from Fannie Mae. Then in December I'm invited to this ceremony in my
>complex,
> > complete with tent, heat, catering, school choir, and a bevy of country
>and
> > state officials. I was paid $25 under the table by Fannie Mae to attend
>this
> > event. Several of us put two and two together later and figured out that
> > Fannie Mae had set up this event to take pictures for their future
>outreach
> > purposes.
> >
> > In other words, Fannie Mae is going to use my neighborhood as publicity
>to
> > make themselves look good. This is what the Ford Foundation would do if
>we
> > took a big chunk of money from them.
> >
> > I've heard some things lately at my local IMC meeting about how the
>IMC-UC is
> > still pursuing more grant money for the IMC network, in this case, via
>an
> > unofficial "emergency tactical media fund." There is nothing stopping an
> > autonomous group from starting a project like this, but I'd like to
>suggest
> > that perhaps the folks in Urbana-Champaign haven't examined the
>political
> > implications of their actions. I'm from Kansas myself, so I understand
>that
> > when you don't live in a diverse community, you aren't going to be aware
>of
> > the political and privileged decisions that you are making.
> >
> > I'm also wondering why the folks associated with the IMC-UC were/are
>pursuing
> > large grants for the IMC network. Why is this money needed? For computer
> > servers? Isn't their some feeling in the IMC network that local IMC
>should be
> > self-sustaining financially? My firm belief is that local IMC should be
> > locally supported and that they should stay away from grants. In fact,
> > perhaps the IMC network should talk about banning the use of grants to
>fund
> > IMCs. Why? Because an IMC should be funded by its supporters and
> > participants, not some remote liberal foundation. If an IMC can't be
> > supported by its local people, then it has no reason to exist. I don't
>think
> > any of us want to see a situation develop where a local IMC is funded by
>the
> > Pew Memorial Trust for a handful of IMCistas who have no desire to get
>their
> > community involved.
> >
> > Of course, there are good reasons to seek grant money for special
>projects,
> > such as IMC movies, but I think that IMCs should stay away from grants
>to pay
> > the rent.
> >
> > Chuck0
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> > Personal homepage -> http://chuck.mahost.org/
> > Infoshop.org -> http://www.infoshop.org/
> > MutualAid.org -> http://www.mutualaid.org/
> > Alternative Press Review -> http://www.altpr.org/
> > Practical Anarchy Online -> http://www.practicalanarchy.org/
> > Anarchy: AJODA -> http://www.anarchymag.org/
> >
> > "The state can't give you free speech, and the state can't take it away.
> > You're born with it, like your eyes, like your ears. Freedom is
>something you
> > assume, then you wait for someone to try to take it away. The degree to
>which
> > you resist is the degree to which you are free..."
> > ---Utah Phillips
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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