[Imc-finance] Re: IMC-Athens on Proposal 2003-C (pt/en)
miguel@riseup.net
miguel at riseup.net
Tue Jan 14 17:35:03 2003
english below
oi ilias,
entendo suas preocupaçoes e concordo com parte delas. gostaria de comentar
alguns pontos. essa nao é uma resposta da rede brasil, é a minha resposta pessoal.
sobre ser muito dinheiro, eu tambem acho. na verdade todos nos achamos. mas
avaliamos que vale a pena.
sobre ter outras fontes para o dinheiro, isso seria otimo. mas nao é tao facil.
na verdade aqui no brasil isso é praticamente impossivel. o que estamos fazendo
é estimular as pessoas a doarem dinheiro para a cobertura do forum e assim
devolveremos o que pudermos.
sobre os gastos nao serem com coisas que ficarao para o cmi, eu discordo de
voce. no caso do projetor de video isso é obvio. e no caso dos outros gastos,
mesmo os que sao para alugar coisas, o beneficio nao é material, mas organizativo.
a grande questao nao é o evento "forum social mundial" mas sim os encontros,
reunioes e conversas informais que acontecerao. nos outros dois anos (de forum)
o cmi nao soube aproveitar a oportunidade para se conhecer e estruturar melhor o
nosso trabalho. as pessoas trabalharam separadas. para evitar isso precisamos
ter um local onde todos possam trabalhar. os beneficios disso nao sao materiais,
mas sao muito importantes.
durante o forum pretendemos ter reunioes da rede brasil, de coletivos da america
latina e uma reuniao global. alem de oficinas sobre diversos assuntos (video,
radio, texto, foto...) onde pretendemos que os voluntarios troquem experiencias
fundamentais para melhorar nosso trabalho.
falando sinceramente acho que o cmi vai crescer muito com o forum. quantitativa
e principalmente qualitativamente.
um abraço
miguel
ps. mande um beijo para a yuli, do cmi brasil, que esta ai agora.
hi ilias
i understand your worries and agree with part of them. i´d like to comment some
topics. this is not an answer from imc brazil network, is my personal answer.
about being a lot of money, i also think that, in truth, we all think that, but
we consider it is worth.
about having another fonts to get the money, this would be great, but is not so
easy. here in brazil this is almost impossible. what we are doing is to
stimulate people to donate money to the forum coverage, so we could give some
money back.
i disagree with you when you say that the money will be spent in things that
will not be for imc. in the case of the video projector, this is obvious, and in
the case of other things, even the rentings, the benefit is not material, but
organizative.
the big question is not the event "world social forum", but the meetings and
informal chats that will happen. in the other 2 years (of the forum), imc
couldnt take profit of the opportunity to meet the people and structure our
work. the people worked separately. to avoid this, we need to have a place where
everybody can work. the benefits of this are not material, but are so important.
during the forum we intend to have meetings of imc brazil network, of latin
american collectives and a global meeting, apart from workshops about many
topics (video, radio, text, photo...), where we intend that the volunteers
change fundamental experiences to improve our work.
frankly, i think that imc will grow a lot with the forum, quantitative and
qualitative, mainly.
[ ]
miguel
ps. send a kiss to yuli, from imc brazil, who is there now.
dri escreveu:
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>From: "Ilias" <ilias@anti2004.net>
>To: <imc-finance@lists.indymedia.org>
>Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 11:16 AM
>Subject: [Imc-finance] IMC-Athens on Proposal 2003-C
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>During the discussion regarding Proposal C there have been many reservations
>and questions about the request. We are by no means "blocking" the proposal,
>and want to clarify that there should be no doubts about that, nor should
>the approval procedure be delayed by the thoughts we will express here for
>further and general discussion.
>
>The main issues for us is that a big amount (for the finance capabilities of
>Indymedia) of money will be spent on covering a one-time event (the WSF).
>Almost all of the expenses have no permanent effect on Indymedia's work
>(neither the network's nor IMC Brazil) and covers renting expenses mainly.
>We don't believe that Indymedia is in a financial position to spend such
>amounts of money to cover events, neither is it the best way to organize a
>coverage based on renting stuff and places.
>
>On the other hand, we believe that (as in most proposals so far) the global
>fund should be used as a complementary source for covering expenses, and not
>as the only one. We know that the economic situation in Brazil is not good,
>but we think that at least a part of the money requested could have been
>covered by local fundraising and a few personal contributions.
>
>Once again we remind that we are not blocking the proposal and extend our
>deepest solidarity to the companer@s of CMI-Brazil :)
>
>Ilias as a liason for IMC-Athens
>
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>many reservations and questions about the request. We are by no means
>"blocking"
>the proposal, and want to clarify that there should be no doubts about that,
>nor
>should the approval procedure be delayed by the thoughts we will express
>here
>for further and general discussion.<BR> <BR>The main issues for us is
>that
>a big amount (for the finance capabilities of Indymedia) of money will be
>spent
>on covering a one-time event (the WSF). Almost all of the expenses have no
>permanent effect on Indymedia's work (neither the network's nor IMC Brazil)
>and
>covers renting expenses mainly. We don't believe that Indymedia is in a
>financial position to spend such amounts of money to cover events,
>neither
>is it the best way to organize a coverage based on renting stuff and
>places.<BR> <BR>On the other hand, we believe that (as in most
>proposals so
>far) the global fund should be used as a complementary source for covering
>expenses, and not as the only one. We know that the economic situation in
>Brazil
>is not good, but we think that at least a part of the money requested could
>have
>been covered by local fundraising and a few personal
>contributions.<BR> <BR>Once again we remind that we are not blocking
>the
>proposal and extend our deepest solidarity to the companer@s of CMI-Brazil
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