[Imc-finance] [en] [pt] Epitaph Charities Project

Luis luis at riseup.net
Sun Sep 21 22:36:41 PDT 2003


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[en]

Sheri wrote:
| i think we should contact them and find out exactly what was the nature
| of the unethical misuse of the voting system.

I think I know what it was. When this poll started months ago, what defined
if you had voted in the last 24hours was a "cookie", that their website sent
to your computer once you voted. This cookie lasted for 24hours, so only
when it expired you could vote again. But, if you blocked cookies coming
from epitaph[dot]com, you could vote as many times as you wanted, just
clicking on "Back" and voting again and again.

I remember reading about it on IRC.

But soon after that, they established that you had to enter your email
address to vote and that only emails subscribed to their announcements
mailing list could vote. At the same time, they started recording who had
voted in the last 24hours at their end, so you really could only vote once
every 24hours. And it has been working like this for months.

So, I'm guessing the misuse did not occur by now, but months ago. Even
though lately you could vote using three or four different email addresses,
for example, I don't think it would affect the poll so badly that they would
think about removing Indymedia from it.

Not sure what we can do about it, though. Should we try to argue that
Indymedia should not be held responsible for individual unethical misuse of
their voting system? That instead they could ban the IPs and emails they
felt like to?

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[pt]

Sheri escreveu:
| creio que deveríamos contatá-los e descobrir qual exatamente foi este
| uso antiético do sistema de votação.

Eu acho que sei qual foi. Quando esta votação começou meses atrás, o que
definia se você tinha votado nas últimas 24horas era um "cookie", que o site
deles enviava para o seu computador quando você votava. Esse cookie durava
24horas e só quando ele expirasse você poderia votar novamente. Mas se você
bloqueasse cookies vindo de epitaph[ponto]com, você podia votar quantas
vezes quisesse, apenas clicando em "Voltar" e votando novamente.

Eu lembro de ter lido a respeito no IRC.

Mas logo depois disso, a Epitaph estabeleceu que você tinha que entrar com
seu endereço de email para votar. E apenas emails inscritos na lista de
anúncios dela poderiam votar. Ao mesmo tempo, eles começaram a gravar quem
havia votado nas últimas 24horas e não mais gravavam esta informação por
cookies no seu computador. Então, você realmente só conseguia votar uma
única vez a cada 24 horas. E a votação estava funcionado assim há meses já.

Então, eu estou supondo que esse uso antiético não ocorreu por agora, mas
meses atrás. Mesmo que ultimamente você pudesse votar mais de uma vez usando
três ou quatro endereços de email diferentes, por exemplo, eu não creio que
isso afetaria a votação de tal forma que eles considerariam nos remover da
mesma.

Porém, não sei o que podemos fazer. Deveríamos tentar argumentar que a
Indymedia não deveria ser tida como responsável pelo uso antiético do
sistema de votação deles? Que ao invés disso eles poderiam banir os IPs e os
emails que achassem que deveriam?

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Luis,
CMI Brasil.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sheri Herndon"
To: "Luis"
Cc: "IMC-finance"
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Imc-finance] indymedia removed from the Epitaph
CharitiesProject


| hi luis,
|
| thanks.  i've just searched through the site for more information.  there
isn't any.  i think we should contact them and find out exactly what was the
nature of the unethical misuse of the voting system.  i've asked some imc la
folks in la who have contacts with music industry to see if they have any
contacts with epitaph.  other ideas or thoughts?
|
| sheri
| seattle imc
|
| >The note bellow can be found at charity.epitaph.com.
| >
| >Luis,
| >CMI Brasil.
| >
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| >
| >* The Independent Media Center has been removed from the Epitaph
| >Charities
| >list due to an unethical misuse of the voting system that caused an
| >inaccurate number of votes in their favor. We apologize for this late
| >change
| >and have since adjusted the voting process to validate each individual
| >vote
| >that is cast.
| >
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