[Imc-finance] [en] [pt] Epitaph Charities Project

[Sebastian Hacher]

:(

our high tech skills  becomed against us

just like in viet nam

i think that we had a mistake doing a "campaigne" to get more votes
sending emails to our entire network.

saludos


seb



On Sun, 21 Sep 2003, Luis wrote:

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>
> [en]
>
> Sheri wrote:
> | i think we should contact them and find out exactly what was the nature
> | of the unethical misuse of the voting system.
>
> I think I know what it was. When this poll started months ago, what defin=
ed
> if you had voted in the last 24hours was a "cookie", that their website s=
ent
> to your computer once you voted. This cookie lasted for 24hours, so only
> when it expired you could vote again. But, if you blocked cookies coming
> from epitaph[dot]com, you could vote as many times as you wanted, just
> clicking on "Back" and voting again and again.
>
> I remember reading about it on IRC.
>
> But soon after that, they established that you had to enter your email
> address to vote and that only emails subscribed to their announcements
> mailing list could vote. At the same time, they started recording who had
> voted in the last 24hours at their end, so you really could only vote onc=
e
> every 24hours. And it has been working like this for months.
>
> So, I'm guessing the misuse did not occur by now, but months ago. Even
> though lately you could vote using three or four different email addresse=
s,
> for example, I don't think it would affect the poll so badly that they wo=
uld
> think about removing Indymedia from it.
>
> Not sure what we can do about it, though. Should we try to argue that
> Indymedia should not be held responsible for individual unethical misuse =
of
> their voting system? That instead they could ban the IPs and emails they
> felt like to?
>
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>
> [pt]
>
> Sheri escreveu:
> | creio que dever=EDamos contat=E1-los e descobrir qual exatamente foi es=
te
> | uso anti=E9tico do sistema de vota=E7=E3o.
>
> Eu acho que sei qual foi. Quando esta vota=E7=E3o come=E7ou meses atr=E1s=
, o que
> definia se voc=EA tinha votado nas =FAltimas 24horas era um "cookie", que=
 o site
> deles enviava para o seu computador quando voc=EA votava. Esse cookie dur=
ava
> 24horas e s=F3 quando ele expirasse voc=EA poderia votar novamente. Mas s=
e voc=EA
> bloqueasse cookies vindo de epitaph[ponto]com, voc=EA podia votar quantas
> vezes quisesse, apenas clicando em "Voltar" e votando novamente.
>
> Eu lembro de ter lido a respeito no IRC.
>
> Mas logo depois disso, a Epitaph estabeleceu que voc=EA tinha que entrar =
com
> seu endere=E7o de email para votar. E apenas emails inscritos na lista de
> an=FAncios dela poderiam votar. Ao mesmo tempo, eles come=E7aram a gravar=
 quem
> havia votado nas =FAltimas 24horas e n=E3o mais gravavam esta informa=E7=
=E3o por
> cookies no seu computador. Ent=E3o, voc=EA realmente s=F3 conseguia votar=
 uma
> =FAnica vez a cada 24 horas. E a vota=E7=E3o estava funcionado assim h=E1=
 meses j=E1.
>
> Ent=E3o, eu estou supondo que esse uso anti=E9tico n=E3o ocorreu por agor=
a, mas
> meses atr=E1s. Mesmo que ultimamente voc=EA pudesse votar mais de uma vez=
 usando
> tr=EAs ou quatro endere=E7os de email diferentes, por exemplo, eu n=E3o c=
reio que
> isso afetaria a vota=E7=E3o de tal forma que eles considerariam nos remov=
er da
> mesma.
>
> Por=E9m, n=E3o sei o que podemos fazer. Dever=EDamos tentar argumentar qu=
e a
> Indymedia n=E3o deveria ser tida como respons=E1vel pelo uso anti=E9tico =
do
> sistema de vota=E7=E3o deles? Que ao inv=E9s disso eles poderiam banir os=
 IPs e os
> emails que achassem que deveriam?
>
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>
> Luis,
> CMI Brasil.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sheri Herndon"
> To: "Luis"
> Cc: "IMC-finance"
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2003 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Imc-finance] indymedia removed from the Epitaph
> CharitiesProject
>
>
> | hi luis,
> |
> | thanks.  i've just searched through the site for more information.  the=
re
> isn't any.  i think we should contact them and find out exactly what was =
the
> nature of the unethical misuse of the voting system.  i've asked some imc=
 la
> folks in la who have contacts with music industry to see if they have any
> contacts with epitaph.  other ideas or thoughts?
> |
> | sheri
> | seattle imc
> |
> | >The note bellow can be found at charity.epitaph.com.
> | >
> | >Luis,
> | >CMI Brasil.
> | >
> | >----------------------------------------
> | >
> | >* The Independent Media Center has been removed from the Epitaph
> | >Charities
> | >list due to an unethical misuse of the voting system that caused an
> | >inaccurate number of votes in their favor. We apologize for this late
> | >change
> | >and have since adjusted the voting process to validate each individual
> | >vote
> | >that is cast.
> | >
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