[Imc-finance] Re: letter confirming"some LACK OFTRANSPARENCY??"

Thu Feb 5 02:28:12 PST 2004

Woh! I don't know if this is some internal dispute or soemthing. But I sure 
don't feel comfortable to ask questions (may they be innocent or stupid) on 
this list of this is what can happen. 

But there also seems to be some basic misunderstanding. Chema is nothing of 
a director or that sort, nor is there any imc-finance administration. 
(Actually Chema probably asked the questions he asked because he is not so 
super active globally and hasn't seen the other discussions - at least I 
have never come across him) 

Some people here, like Sasha and Sheri, manage a whole lot of stuff and 
therefore probably also know about many things that are going on. Others are 
less active and simply a country liason because each IMC has to have one. 

If we want people to be more active on this list (which has been demanded 
several times), we must allow those people who don't know about everything 
that's going on in the network to also ask questions and raise concerns. 

blue 

sphinx writes: 

> Dear Chema! Though you tried hard to mask this typical arrogant CEO attitude 
> that one meets every now and then in the network with words like "seems" 
> and "perhaps" the fact is, this recklessness and freehanded manner of some of 
> you gives the desire to spew. 
> 
> Yes, it is true that Glenda though old in the field of struggle in Africa is 
> new to indymedia and have hardly taken time to acquaint herself with the 
> internal structure and functioning of the network; which have ended her the 
> reputation of addressing mails at times to the wrong list. Or simply addressing 
> herself to activist with content of discussions which leaves some activist at 
> the lost of what she is talking about, as the activists at times are not 
> involved in the discussion being addresses to them by Glenda. Of which, i can 
> understand your inability to figure-out the meaning of her mail. For which 
> reason the administration of the imc-finance list did not approve of her mail 
> through imc-finance lists. Yet my purpose of writing is not to discuss the 
> Glenda style. it is rather to handle this insult-ive mail of yours.  
> 
> The discussion on the Dakar conference have been going on for than 6months now 
> in indymedia mailing lists and the indymedia IRC server. This peroid have 
> included endless hours of contributions and efforts by individuals. It has as 
> well involved serious financial contributions by individuals in making endless 
> expensive phone calls to africa and elsewhere, making trips to attend meetings 
> with other groups who are involved in the tour to Africa in the frame of which 
> the idea of the conference came up and many more sacrifices. 
> 
> And in all of that, the results of your "BUSY INVESTIGATION" is that there SEEM 
> to be SOME LACK OF TRANSPERENCY in the in the organisation of this conference. 
> YET YOU COULD NOT list THESE seemly non transperency in Organising this 
> conference "which you are hoping will improve". 
> 
> Then you go :
> <I am not
> < at all sure that the priority is to have such a meeting given the large
> < sums of money being talked about in IMC Finance. 
> 
> Did you read the mails sent to imc-finance??
> Or in the typical boss-style you did not see any reason to read the content. 
> You can criticise without reading, afterall if the worker thinks there is 
> something to clarify they will have no other option but to come begging for an 
> audience to the boss to clarify.  
> 
> I'M not going to take that arrogance from you or any body that is too full 
> enough of him(most of the time)self to understand that we are in a community to 
> discuss with sincerity and commitment to move the overall project forward. 
> You probably think you are part of the board of directors of indymedia who can 
> throw away others(especially those from below) ideas away with a wave of the 
> hand without the need for discussion.  
> 
> Alright boss, let me explain. The sum requested is mostly to cover transport 
> cost of the delegates from within africa coming to the conference. It is not to 
> pay for the safari of those ORGANISING THE CONFERENCE. 
> 
>>From your busy investigation you found out that 6000Euros could be used <to buy 
> computers and net connections? 6,000 euros in equipment
> < could kickstart a good amount of IMC in Africa. 
> 
> REALLLY??? If there was a bill for computers sent to imc-finance could you not 
> have reminded us of the lack of bandwith and other similar infrastructure in 
> Africa. Anyway after buying computers for 6000euros what next do we do?? may be 
> send  the computers to Africa and have the activists walk on foot to some place 
> and pick them for use in KICKSTARTING A GOOD AMOUNT OF IMCS.  
> 
> 
> To you last questions just another exposure of this managing director attitude. 
> There you go :
>> What University and Professor are you talking about? What sort of
>> fundraising are you doing? Could you send more detailed information to the
>> IMC Finance list?
> 
> Ja ! Glenda should go the the African lists and the twiki pages where all the 
> other irc meetings have been achived and prepare a report and SEND it to the 
> director!  
> 
> Now with this kind of arrogance the network will be distroyed.  
> 
> Chema! next time when you are writing about an issue or may be if you have 
> things you don't understand about an issue, like a comrade ASK QUESTIONS about 
> the ISSUE and don't jump into any rach conclusions and much less insults. If 
> you don't know to insinuate that those dealing with a particular project are 
> not exactly transparent without any reason is very very destructive, insult-
> ive  and annoying. 
> 
> Indymedia have a finance list and not a finance director to enchourage frank 
> and sincere exchange on financial issues and not to give a poduim for those who 
> wish to play bosses. There is a BIG difference between raising concerns and 
> worreis as have been going in imc-finance since there start of the discussion 
> on this issue and this provoking mail of yours below.     
> 
> Sphinx
> imc Africa working group  
> 
>    
> 
>         
>      
> 
> Quoting chema at no-log.org: 
> 
>> Dear Glenda, 
>> 
>> Sorry for the late reply. I got your mail two weeks ago, but I wasn't
>> quite sure what it was and I was quite busy to investigate. I am still not
>> sure what you refer to, since I couldn't open the attached files you sent
>> in the second mail. Could you please resend them as pdf or txt? 
>> 
>> I am not sure what conference you are refering to. Perhaps it is the IMC
>> Africa one? There seems to be some lack of transparency in the
>> organization of this conference, which will hopefully improve and I am not
>> at all sure that the priority is to have such a meeting given the large
>> sums of money being talked about in IMC Finance. Perhaps that money could
>> be used to buy computers and net connections? 6,000 euros in equipment
>> could kickstart a good amount of IMC in Africa. 
>> 
>> What University and Professor are you talking about? What sort of
>> fundraising are you doing? Could you send more detailed information to the
>> IMC Finance list? 
>> 
>> Thank you, 
>> 
>> Chema 
>> 
>> > PLEASE ENSURE THIS MAIL GETS TO SWITZERLAND INDYMEDIA-
>> > WE HAVE NO CONTACT AND NO REPLIES ON ANY OF OUR
>> > REQUESTS..................
>> >
>> > THIS IS TO CONFIRM THE CONFERENCE IS OFFICIAL-FIND
>> > LETTER FROM THE HOST FOR THE CONFERENCE.
>> >
>> > PLEASE, ANY QUESTIONS  MUST BE DIRECTED DIRECTLY TO
>> > THE SWISS TEAM VIA THE FOLLOWING EMAIL ADDRESSES AND
>> > NOT THE PROFESSOR AS HE HAS DELEGATED THE PARTNERSHIP:
>> >
>> > gloebell at bluewin.ch or
>> > glloebell at yahoo.com
>> > michaela.k at dplanet.ch
>> > mauranda at bluewin.ch
>> >
>> > A RECEIVING DEPOT FOR MATERIALS USED IN WORKSHOPS
>> > The university will receive but without any financial
>> > obligations the materials needed for the workshop-Hand
>> > book or pamphlet,please let us have the site page so
>> > we are able to have access to the content too.....
>> >
>> > Please also find our fund raising doc. in German that
>> > we are using........this has gone out for one week and
>> > we have yet to get responses. There are 3 of us
>> > carrying out this task. PLEASE LET ME STRESS THAT THIS
>> > IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR OTHER FUND RAISING BUT
>> > COMPLIMENTRY.......we need to take care of our
>> > Senegal/Swiss ticket of the person who is unable to
>> > finance his own ticket due to his status here in
>> > Switzerland.
>> > When we have a response we will let the results be
>> > made available to the group.
>> > We are doing "Professionally"  fund raising but very
>> > clear on ethics.
>> >
>> > We look forward to meeting all the faces of the names
>> > of the people who are working so hard to bring this
>> > idea to a reality.......
>> >
>> > NeBe 
>> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> but for fate we could have been one another 
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