[Imc-finance] Proposal 2004-B Dakar Conference request BLOCKED
Joeri
joeri at indymedia.org
Tue Mar 2 01:46:09 PST 2004
Hey,
the Dakar conference request was blocked by imc-Uruguay, explanation is
underneath
[ ENGLISH | CASTELLANO ]
Posición de Indymedia Uruguay sobre el pedido para la conferencia africana.
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Luego de varias reuniones, en un fuerte y difícil debate, el colectivo del CMI
Uruguay decidió reunido en su totalidad, en la noche del lunes 1 de marzo, negar
el pedido de fondos para la conferencia de África. Oficialmente Uruguay bloquea
el pedido.
El CMI Uruguay considera que el pedido de dinero, al ser exactamente la mitad
del total de los fondos globales, impactará negativamente sobre la red.
Pensamos que es un monto excesivo para un gasto que no conoceremos su resultado.
6 pasajes de avión para una conferencia que no tiene urgencia en acontecer.
Confiamos que los asistentes podrán seguir transmitiendo su experiencia a lo
largo del continente por medios más económicos e igual de efectivos.
También consideramos que la presión para que surgan nuevos Indymedias traerá
consigo colectivos no sustentables que luego necesitarán de fondos externos para
mantenerse. Generando medios dependientes.
La decisión fue tomada sin tomar en cuenta el cuestionable proyecto de Urbana
Campaign en África, que esperamos poder transmitir nuestra opinión en una futura
carta.
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Position of Indymedia Uruguay about the request of the African conference.
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After several meetings, in a strong and difficult debate, the uruguayan IMC
collective decided, in the night of Monday first of March, to deny the request
of funds of the conference in Dakar. Officially Uruguay blocks the request.
The IMC Uruguay thinks that the request of money, on having been exactly the
half of the whole of the global funds, will impact negatively on the network.
We think that it is an excessive amount an expense that we will not know his
result. 6 tickets of plane for a conference that doesn't have urgency in to
happen. We entrust that the assistants will be able to continue transmitting her
experience along the continent along more economic means and with the same efective.
Also we considered that the pressure in order that apear new Indymedias it will
bring with it not sustentables collectives that then will need of external
funds to stay. Generating dependent media.
The decision was taken without taking into account the questionable project from
Urban Campaign in Africa, that we hoped to be able to transmit our opinion in a
future letter.
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Posted: 4th of feb '04
discussion period 4-18 feb (but i'll ask sphinx what (s)he thinks about
deadline)
Decision deadline 18th of Feb
Jay: i guess the process is still the same as about a year ago; and i
agree on the proposal
Sphinx: what is the ultimate deadline for getting in that money
the proposal will be send to translationtool for spanish and french in a
minute
greets
joeri
Jay wrote:
> Hi imc-finance (and imc-africa by cc),
>
> This is Jay from IMC Philadelphia. Some of you may know me, others
> may not. Hello to everyone.
>
> I've recently started to support imc-africa group in its attempt to
> raise some money to support the travel of African delegates to the
> upcoming conference in Senegal. I haven't been on imc-fiance for a
> while, but I understand Sphinx sent a request for funds. I also have
> seen Joeri's below reply asking for clarification and expressing some
> concern about the amount of money requested.
>
> I e-mailed imc-africa with the below idea a few days ago and haven't
> heard any dissent. I don't know the current process on imc-finance
> but I would love for someone who does to help work this into a
> proposal. Plus, we need to act on this SOON. The conference is
> scheduled for March 1-14 and I'm pretty sure most delegates will have
> to get visas, or at least make plane reservations as soon as possible.
>
> Here's the idea. Right now imc-africa has a great list of delegates
> intending to come from around Africa. Some IMCs, even forming IMCs,
> are interested in sending more than one, which is great . . . and
> expensive. I think we all should do our best to get at least one
> person from each IMC to be able to come to Senegal.
>
> What do people on imc-finance think of imc-africa asking formally for
> enough money to get at least one person from each of the interested
> IMC groups to get to the conference? Then we could have a firm, more
> manageable amount.
>
> That would be, according to Sphinx's estimates:
>
> 1from South Africa = 877 Euro
> 1 from Ambazonia = 750 Euro
> 1 from Congo = 1200 Euro
> 1 from Angola = 1100 Euro
> 1 from Kenya = 1100 Euro
> 1 from Madiaq = 450 Euro
>
> Total: 5477 Euro
>
> Plus, 533 Euro to help pay for expenses in Senegal. Total = 6000 Euro.
>
> If imc-finance would release 6000 Euro to pay for the tickets that
> will assure the conference will have representation from at least 6
> African IMCs, plus Senegal. That will be a great stride forward for
> African indymedia organizing!
>
> As for the fear from imc-finance that imc-africa is asking for too
> much, perhaps imc-africa can pay back imc-finance "33 cents on the
> dollar." Meaning, if imc-africa independently raises 9,000 Euro
> toward the conference, they'll pay imc-finance back 3000 Euro of what
> they lent. If they raise 15000 Euro they'll pay back 5000 Euro. In
> other words, imc-finance will be able to assure some level of success
> at an essential Indymedia conference but at the same time we will all
> make sure imc-finance doesn't have to be afraid imc-africa will drain
> all its money.
>
> How does this sound?
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> At 1/30/2004, Joeri wrote:
>
>> hey,
>>
>> sorry to only reply this late
>>
>> i think it's needed to be more specific about the amount of money; i
>> know it's difficult to give an exact amount as you're still very busy
>> in fundraising, but for us it's even more difficult to set an amount
>> (therefore i didn't set it as a proposal yet)
>>
>> as on new year's day (this is the latest info i received) our bank
>> balance contained $21,679.15, but with still some donations to
>> process (at least $5,654),
>> giving the biggest part of the needed money for the project would
>> have big consequences for imc-finance (altough i think this
>> conference is really important and i think it's very important that
>> we help getting the money together if needed)
>>
>> so i suggest to (if possible) try to get an idea of the amount still
>> needed, so we can put it in a proposal for finance
>>
>> other ideas on this?
>>
>> greets
>> sorry for the delay
>> joeri
>>
>>
>> sphinx wrote:
>>
>>> Imc-Africa Working group is asking imc-finance to support with the
>>> fairs of the
>>> African delegates, food and stationery for the Dakar Conference .
>>> -In the coming days we'll continue with trying to raise funds
>>> through other
>>> sources. We appeal to all the activts as well as imcs in this list
>>> to use their
>>> know-how in helping us in this process of fund raising as well as
>>> spreading the
>>> information to potential sources of support.
>>> -We will implore the imc-finance working group to treat this as an
>>> application
>>> for funds. That is 3days tranlation, 14days discussion(dateline is
>>> then 3rd
>>> february2004).
>>> All funds that we happen to get in the interim, we'll inform
>>> imc-finance about
>>> and hope imc-finance can make up the needed amount. Every funds
>>> that We shall
>>> get in the interim shall go first for the tickets. This is all
>>> meant to
>>> catch-up with time as most of the African delegates need to get
>>> visas to go to
>>> Senegal.
>>> -We are pleading with all imcs to put a temporary donation
>>> link(button) in this
>>> respect on their various websites.
>>>
>>> Details:
>>>
>>> The Dakar Conference
>>>
>>> In the four years since indymedia started in Seattle in 1999, it
>>> has succeeded
>>> to make a mostest impact on the media worlds as a whole and in the
>>> political
>>> left scene in particular.
>>> Much of the build-up have taken place in the global North thanks to
>>> the well
>>> developed multimedia infrastructure. Which allows for both quick and
>>> cheap production of media content. Yet indymedias in South
>>> America have made substantial progress despite poor multimedia
>>> infrastructure.
>>> This characteristic growth being partly due to existing social support
>>> structures developed over the years of social struggles in South
>>> America as well
>>> as emphatic support of Global North Activists.
>>> In Africa for lots of resons indymedia development has been very
>>> slow. To give
>>> the indymedia growth process in Africa a push, the indymedia Africa
>>> working
>>> group with other activists groups took upon Organising an
>>> Alternative(indymedia)
>>> Conference in Dakar from the 1st to the 14th March 2004. Delegates
>>> will be coming from ; South Africa, Ambazonia (Ex-British Southern
>>> Cameroons), DRCongo, Angola, Kenya, Madiaq (South Spain and
>>> Morocco), Nertherland, Germany, Switzerland, UK and USA. Three
>>> quarters of the
>>> delegates will be from Africa. The main point of the Conference will
>>> be to exchange experiences and try to
>>> figure-out the way forward with indymedia in Africa despite the lack
>>> of suitable
>>> social support structures and multimedia infrastructure.
>>> This undertaking is now threatened by the lack of funds to cover the
>>> fairs of
>>> the African Delegates and basic needs for the conference . We are
>>> hereby soliciting for donations to support the Conference.
>>> Donations can be sent by paypal.com to imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org
>>>
>>> or by bank transfer to : Zentralkultur e.V Account No: 269 35 70
>>> BLZ/Bankcode 60050101 S.W.I.F.T-code SOLASDEST Password:
>>> indymedia Africa Landesbank Baden-Wurttemberg Germany
>>> For those who need receipts for tax deductions please indicate by
>>> email to imc-africa at lists.indymedia.org
>>> We'll greatly appreciate any contribution no-matter how small .
>>> IMC-Africa Working group.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Update of the situation:
>>> -Fair situation for the moment looks as follows:
>>> 3South Africa = 877*3= 2631 Euro 3Ambazonia(Ex-British Southern
>>> Cameroons)=750*3= 2250 Euro 1 DRCongo =1200 Euro 2 Angola
>>> =1100*2=2200 Euro 3Kenya=1100*3=3300 Euro 2Madiaq(Spain and Morocco)
>>> = 450 *2=900 Euro Total= 12481 Euro
>>>
>>> -Feeding and stationery for the 14days of the conference will cost
>>> at least
>>> 1300Euros.
>>>
>>> TOTAL=12481+1300=15481 Euros
>>>
>>> -Materials for use in workshops:
>>> .Bak from Imc-ch is bring a computer with a portable content
>>> management system
>>> and a host of other software. .Tony from imc-uk is also going to
>>> send us some videos and some other meterials.
>>> In the worst case scenerio this may be all we may have like
>>> equipment ´; thus
>>> the best way to increase the utility will be to connect them to a
>>> projector.
>>> Thus we desperately need a projector as well as a printer.
>>>
>>> ---original list of needs was :
>>>
>>> -A beamer /projector
>>> 1.-Five computers (at least) 2.-Three video recording machines and a
>>> video editting machine. 100 video
>>> cassettes. 3.-Three mini-disc recorder/audio recording machines. 200
>>> pieces of
>>> mini-disc/tapes. 4.-Three printers. 5.-5 small radio transmitters.
>>> 6.- 10 video cassettes of films made by other indymedia video
>>> working groups to
>>> be used in screening . Software needs 1.-We need to ask
>>> indymedia-tech to load the computers for use in the tour with
>>> one of the many freesoftware Operating System. 2.-Need a portable
>>> version of an indymedia production system which allows
>>> articles and other content to be published and produced on the
>>> computer without
>>> internet connection. 3.-We need an easy to use audio editing
>>> program. 4.-We need an easy to use video editing program. 5.-We need
>>> an easy to use lay-out program.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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