[Imc-ftaamiami-editorial] meeting log

[john duda]

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<Report>	Hi!
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<pdx_bht>	whoop!
<john>	so let's have a meeting!
<Report>	do you think we should save this ?
<john>	i am logging it
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<john>	does anyone want to facilitate?
<Report>	ok!
<Report>	not me...dont you think we should wait to see if more people show up?
<john>	yeah, we should probably wait....
<john>	a little while...
<Report>	sure
<john>	we could go ahead and come up with an agenda while we wait....
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<aneleh>	oi
<Report>	ola!
<aneleh>	perdi ja alguma coisa, felipe?
<Report>	ainda nao..estamos esperando mais pessoas chegarem...a reuniao vai ser em ingles.ok?
<Report>	precisa de traducao?
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<Report>	john: i think kev had something in mind
<john>	kev: are you awake?
<aneleh>	nao
<Report>	:)
<aneleh>	=)
<Report>	well. translations, video collective, editorial, ?
<john>	introductions?
<Report>	yeah
<john>	whether we want to bother trying to become an "official" indymedia project?
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<Report>	ok. john, you will be the moderator, right?
<john>	ok.
<john>	so i just want to ask first: is everyone ok with using english?
<aneleh>	yes
<Report>	andre?
<andre-rio>	ok
<kev>	hey
<john>	hey kev
<kev>	did you already start?
<john>	we were just about to do introductions...
*	kev kev voluteers to do translations
<kev>	if necissary
<john>	i'll start, i'm john, from baltimore(us), i do a lot of global tech stuff for indymedia, i got involved with this ftaaimc thing in the buildup to miami 
<john>	(done)
<john>	someone else?
<andre-rio>	im andre, rio de janeiro brasil
<Xun>	I am Xun, from Chiapas
<Report>	i'm felipe from brazil
<kev>	i'm kevin, from tennessee (us). 
<aneleh>	I m aneleh from belo horizonte, brazil
<Report>	i forgot sao paulo, brazil.heh
<aneleh>	eheh
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<Report>	kev: deya and zula will come?
<john>	dani_de_troia: we just started....could you introduce yourself and let us know if you are ok with english or need translation?
<kev>	report. i don't know. i sent them the info on the meeting. deya said she would come
<dani_de_troia>	i can speak in english. 
*	dani_de_troia from florianopolis, brazil
<aneleh>	=)
<john>	bht? 
<john>	bht is from portland, us and says "whoop" alot
<john>	so this is what we have on the agenda so far:
<aneleh>	eheh
<john>	 translations, video collective, editorial, ? whether we want to bother trying to become an "official" indymedia project?
<john>	anything to add?
<Xun>	Kev: do you have another isuues?
<Report>	audio stuff?
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<Xun>	yeah, audio stuff
<kev>	yea, may be we should metion that thing streaming on the ftaaimc media server :)
<Report>	communication among ourselves, thoght we live in different countries?
<Report>	thought
<Report>	printed stuff?
<kev>	and a small item about reducing and renaming lists
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<aneleh>	yeah
<ali>	hey everyone
<kev>	hey ali
<john>	ali: can you introduce yourself?
<ali>	yep
<ali>	i'm ali from san francisco
<ali>	worked on ftaaimc during the mobilizations
<ali>	in miami
<ali>	done
<john>	ok so let's start with audio: kev and Xun, do you want to give us an update?
<kev>	first i just want to make sure someone is logging
<kev>	i can't on this machine
<john>	i am logging
<kev>	ok
<kev>	so basically there is a 24/7 ftaaimc/arla stream on the ftaaimc media server
<kev>	which is mostly playlist but aspires to add in more live relays
<kev>	xun?
<Report>	what's the url?
<kev>	http://stream.media.ftaaimc.org:8000/arla-hi.m3u | http://stream.media.ftaaimc.org:8000/arla-low.m3u
<Report>	on Radio streams and archives, right?
<kev>	yep
<kev>	so the idea is to broadcast content about the ftaa, and other issues pertinent to struggles aganist neoliberalism in the americas
<kev>	and there is some music and random other stuff mixed in there
<kev>	i guess i'm <done> (maybe folks have questions)
<john>	do you think people are listening to it/rebroadcasting it?
<kev>	or input of any kind
<kev>	hehe
<kev>	not much. but some. and we have some fm relays now
<john>	anyone else with audio questions/input?
<Report>	yeah
<Report>	is FTAA Resistance Radio working too? ideas on how can we extend that?
<ali>	*
<john>	FTAA Resistance Radio was basically just a project for the miami mobilization
<john>	the archived stream is online...
<ali>	should i go?
<john>	yes go ahead ali
<ali>	sorry a bit confused about the moderation
<ali>	ok..
<ali>	maybe FTAA Resistance Radio could be relaunched at the next mobilization 
<Report>	in brazil ftaa meeting?
<ali>	where there is a need for street radio and mobilization intensive radio and ARLA could continue its original mission
<ali>	sure in brasil
<ali>	done
<Report>	sorry, i think i'm interrupting everybody
<john>	that's ok...
*	kev suggests that we use * to indicate that we have something to say
*	john thinks that is a good idea...also people should say "done" when they are done
<Report>	*
*	john puts "next ftaa mobilization" on agenda
*	Report agrees!
<john>	Report: go ahead
<Report>	no, thats ok
<Report>	heh
*	pdx_bht 
<john>	ok, so let's move on....ali: can you give us a video project update?
<ali>	 yes
<ali>	the update from the video project about the Miami mobilization and FTAA 
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<ali>	is that we have completed all the segments
<ali>	and they are all here in san francisco
<ali>	we also have some people who are here (Brendon nycimc and kev) to finish stiching the segments together
<ali>	it looks like it is gonna be 90min. and hopefully(emphasis) will be completed in the first week of april
<ali>	we're really sorry it's taken so long to get it out
<ali>	but it's gonna be worth the wait...i promise
<ali>	this one will have it all
<ali>	extreme police brutality to the historical racism in Miami
<ali>	from the FTAA to the corporate media coverage
<ali>	done
<john>	sounds good...
<john>	is it going to be translated into spanish / portuguese?
*	pdx_bht would like to introduce/add agernda
<kev>	*
<john>	bht: go ahead
<john>	arrgh....my internet connection is acting up...can someone else facilitate (and log?)
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<john>	someone else should facilitate...mu connection is flaking out...
<john>	and if someone else could log that would also be great
<Report>	how can i log on?
<pdx_bht>	i can log!
<ali>	i can facilitate
<kev>	cool 
<kev>	hi deya
<ali>	so people who haven't introduced themselves should go ahead and do that
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<d>	what are you talking about?
<d>	end
<kev>	*
<ali>	we're talking about the video about the FTAA mobilizations in miami
<ali>	kev
<kev>	nevermind
<ali>	ok
<pdx_bht>	*
<ali>	bht
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<pdx_bht>	i was just wondering if we had an overview of the agenda! <done>
<ali>	yes i'll write the agenda once again for the newcomers
<ali>	toya do you want to introduce yourself in the meantime
<john_>	audio
<john_>	video project
<john_>	 translations
<john_>	editorial
<john_>	whether we want to bother trying to become an "official" indymedia project?
<john_>	communication among ourselves, thoght we live in different countries?
<john_>	printed stuff?
<john_>	 a small item about reducing and renaming lists
<john_>	next ftaa mobilization
<john_>	
<john_>	
<john_>	
<ali>	there it is
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<ali>	are there any other items people want to put on
<ali>	the agenda
<ali>	??
<toya>	hi i am toya from imc brasil
<ali>	ok so if there are no more vid questions lets move on to translations
<ali>	any takers?
<d>	*
<ali>	d
<d>	i suggest we use the translation tool
*	pdx_bht says the translations are great and thanks all the translators!! 
<d>	:)
<d>	and forget about the "feature waiting for translation"
<d>	i think i wrote about it to the list
<d>	done
<Report>	*
<john>	*
<ali>	report
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<Report>	don't you think maybe will take to much time?
<Report>	done
<ali>	john
<john>	i have a plan to tie mir into the translation tool which will be done in a few weeks i think
<john>	so we can use the tt for coordination, but still get translations posted directly to the site.
*	kev is doing a live broadcast right now so might be a little distracted
<d>	*
<john>	other than that, i think deyanira is right...it is better to post potential features to the public translation tool to get tranlsations, rather than burying them in a obscure corner of the admin interface.
<john>	done
<ali>	d
<d>	there is a way to tie mir and the tt
<d>	if you include the mnewswire's url in the heading
<d>	and say whether it's a feature or an article
<d>	then it would be very easy
*	d still volunteering to do all the features into spanish
<d>	but just the features
<d>	end
<Report>	*
<ali>	report
<Report>	i agree with you and i can do the portuguese translations
<Report>	done
<kev>	*
<ali>	kev
<ali>	another note
<kev>	2 things
<kev>	i'd like to add syndication to the agenda
<ali>	to signify concensus type c
<kev>	and secondly to say that its difficult to keep up w/ translations while travelling
<d>	what is consensus type c?
<kev>	so i don't know if i can continue to do as many as i was before
<kev>	<done>
<ali>	to indicate agreement type the letter c
<ali>	c
<ali>	for example:
<ali>	tt and mir is gonna be integrated
<ali>	c
<d>	what's wrong with "i agree"?
<ali>	nothing
<ali>	it's just what i've been used to
<ali>	any other translation related comments
<d>	*
<ali>	d
<d>	it's very important that all translators are aware of this arrangement
<d>	so that there's no mistakes and dubbed work
<d>	but i don't know how to tell them
<d>	end
<kev>	*
<ali>	kev
<kev>	so to clarify and make sure i understand the arrangement
<kev>	features to b translated get posted to tt
<kev>	with the url of the original newswire article to be translated
<kev>	is that the proposal?
<d>	yes, and
<d>	indicating whether it's a feature or not
<d>	pls
<d>	because you may want to translate any article
<d>	end
<kev>	C
<ali>	C
<Xun>	C
<Report>	c 
<john>	c
<ali>	onto editorial
<ali>	can someone who has been involved in recent editorial give a run down on how it's been working so far
<kev>	*
<ali>	kev
<kev>	editorial policy is as it was for ftaa mobilization. we are still working with the two person approval thing
<kev>	which means that at minimum to editors have to agree that something should be a feature in order to make it a feature
<kev>	and all features must be originally newswire artiles
<kev>	<done>
<john>	*
<ali>	john
<john>	does anyone here want to get involved with editorial but doesn't have a log in for the admin?
<john>	done
<Report>	*
<ali>	report
<Report>	i think theres 5 or 6 editors working actively, can we handle with that?
<Report>	like..can we go on?
<Report>	did you get my point? hehe
<Report>	done
<kev>	*
<ali>	kev
<kev>	it would be better if there were more!!!
<ali>	*
<kev>	and that the people who have become active more recently
<kev>	feel free to propose things they think should be features
<kev>	<done>
<ali>	me
<ali>	i'm willing to help with editorial, but my life has been shakey recently and once things get back into order i'll work on the site, i already have an admin
<ali>	done
<Report>	*
<ali>	report
<Report>	theres another guy in imc brazil who isnt here that is interested i think
<kev>	*
<Report>	i will ask him later
<Report>	paique
<Report>	done
<ali>	kev
<kev>	it would also be nice if we had some way for ppl working on other sites to propose features
<kev>	i don't think there is anything clearly written on the site to tell ppl how they can draw the editors attention to a specific artlice
<kev>	<done>
<kev>	article
<kev>	<done>
<kev>	:)
*	john shudders at the specific artlice
<ali>	hehe
<ali>	any other comments on editorial
<d>	*
<ali>	d
<d>	you'll call me old fashioned but
<d>	i hate seeing the features full of mistakes
<d>	i know this was discussed in a previous meeting 
<d>	i wasn't there
<d>	end
*	kev calls deya old fashioned
*	pdx_bht seconds
<kev>	heh
<Report>	*
<pdx_bht>	:)
*	d knew it already
<ali>	are you talking gramatical or spelling mistakes?
<ali>	or factual
<ali>	done
<d>	all of them
*	kev notices that report has his hand up
<d>	sorry, i can wait
<ali>	are you proposing some sort of copy editting?
<ali>	sorry
<Report>	hehe bastards!
<ali>	report
<Report>	i agree with deya, thats why the tt works better in these cases
<Report>	but i dont think theres other people to review pt translations
<Report>	done
*	kev will try not to make so many mistakes :/
<d>	my turn now?
<ali>	yep
<d>	:)
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<d>	i was doing some revision in english and spanish until i found out you had agreed not to check
<d>	but i think it's confusing for the ppl who don't speak the language well
<d>	and also for translators
<d>	i can give it a check from time to time, but only if there won't be hurt feelings...
<d>	end
<ali>	c
<john>	c
<kev>	c
<Report>	c
<pdx_bht>	c
<kev>	Paique: fala ingles?
<Report>	im translating to him
<ali>	if there isn't anything else editorial let's go on to the "official imc" status of ftaaimc or lack thereof
<Paique>	kev: no 
<john>	*
<ali>	john
<pdx_bht>	*
<john>	basically...there is no real global imc process for dealing with geographically spread out topic based imcs
<d>	*
<john>	there is a proposal which has been on the table for months and months which i believe came from the biotechimc folks
<john>	and a mailing list with little activity.
<john>	if we wanted to get "official" imc status, we would have to jump in and get the global process process rolling again.
<john>	i wanted to know if people thought this was important enough to spend some time doing....the biggest advantage i see to it is inclusion in the "cities.inc" file which appears on every imcs left column
<john>	done
<ali>	bht
<pdx_bht>	i just want to let everyone know that portland imc has already recognized topic/issue imcs and they both appear on our "cities" list
<pdx_bht>	done
<john>	thanks portland!
<ali>	d
<d>	i'm also in biotechimc and for us it's very important to be official
<d>	also, i've been sort of scolded by other ppl for participating in these bastard imcs
<d>	i don't really mind now, but some ppl do
<d>	perhaps it would be easier for us if ftaaimc and biotechimc sort of coordinated this process...
<d>	end
<kev>	c
<ali>	c
<pdx_bht>	c
<ali>	how would that coordination look like?
<Report>	c
<pdx_bht>	*
<d>	like writing together to process and saying we are well past the deadline...
<d>	sorry again
<d>	it's just an idea
<ali>	bht
<pdx_bht>	yeah, deya has it right.  i back the idea of writing together to process.  the idea is also strongly resisted in new-imc, so first we would need to come up with mor eideas
<pdx_bht>	on new-project mailing list, which is created but little activity
<Report>	*
<pdx_bht>	if we generate conversation there and take something to process then it will better, since we represent many imc's.
<pdx_bht>	<done>
<ali>	i gotta go folks
*	john is now the facilitator again
<ali>	john is gonna facilitate once again
<ali>	love to all
<pdx_bht>	bye ali!
<d>	ciao ali
<Report>	bye ali!
<Xun>	bye ali
<kev>	see you tonight ali!
<john>	report
<Report>	ok, if the rest of imcs did not aprove? we continue working as a pirate?
<Report>	done
<kev>	*
<john>	kev
<kev>	report
<kev>	its not so much about what the rest of the imcs think
<kev>	its about what the ppl on the process list think
<kev>	but yes
*	john points to http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/NewProject if anyone hasn't seen it
<kev>	we can go on as we have been
<kev>	even if not official
<kev>	<done>
<d>	*
<john>	d
<d>	the ppl on the process list should reflect what the ppl in the collectives think
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<d>	so far there's been no block
<d>	we are past the deadline, but biotechimc asked specifically not to be approved by implicit consensus
<d>	if we only asked them to hurry up, telling them how important it is for us
<d>	and there's no block again, then it should be ok?
<kev>	*
<d>	end
<john>	kev
<kev>	folks here intrested in seeing biotech and ftaaimc become official can also join the list in order to help push the process along
<kev>	and, by the way: i'm probably going to get kicked off the internet any minute
<kev>	<done>
<Report>	*
<john>	report
<Report>	how kev? 
<Report>	done
<kev>	john: do you have the list info url?
*	d reminds everyone that ideally imc-process should reflect collective opinions not individual ones
<john>	http://lists.indymedia.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/new-project
<john>	which is supposed to be coming up with a proposal for criteria for topic imcs
<john>	but is pretty dead(no posts since january)
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<kev>	so you can read the archives there and join the list if you want
<kev>	(that was in responce to report)
<john>	http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-process/2003-October/005319.html 
<john>	that's the biotech topic imc proposal (english and spanish)
<john>	done
*	pdx_bht will also leave in a few minutes
<john>	d: can you keep us posted on what biotech plans to do?  proposals/requests/etc.
<john>	still on the agenda:
<john>	communication among ourselves, thoght we live in different countries?
<john>	printed stuff?
<john>	 a small item about reducing and renaming lists
<john>	next ftaa mobilization
<john>	syndication
<john>	is it ok with everyone if we move on to "communication"?
<d>	yep
<kev>	yea
<pdx_bht>	c
<Report>	c
<aneleh>	c
<john>	*
<john>	me
<john>	so we have: this #irc channel, which is always here
<john>	in which a lot of communication has taken place.
<john>	there is also the mailing list, which kev has suggested we rename so it is not miami specific.
<john>	(i will talk to listwork about this)
<john>	and that's about it.
<john>	done
<d>	*
<john>	d
<d>	we also have the admin's message board which is very useful
<d>	and i agree with renaming list
<d>	end
<kev>	*
<john>	kev
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<kev>	i also suggest that we only have one list for all ftaaimc comunication
<john>	c
<Xun>	c
<aneleh>	c
*	kev is kicked off the internet
<kev>	byt
<john>	bye kev
<d>	chaucito
<Report>	bye!
<Xun>	bye Kev
<Report>	*
<pdx_bht>	bye
<Report>	c
<john>	report
<Report>	i was just saying i agree with one list hehe
<pdx_bht>	*
<john>	bht
<pdx_bht>	i guess this is more listwork, but i want to throw this out before i leave :)
<pdx_bht>	umm, i want to freeze all of the current list (aside from video, since it is still doing stuff, I assume) and open a new list for imc-ftaa
<pdx_bht>	the old lists can be unfrozen at the next mobilization. <done>
<john>	c
<Report>	c
<john>	anything else on communication?
<john>	seeing none....
<john>	i'd like to move on to "printed stuff"
<Report>	*
<john>	report
<Report>	i suggest this one...so do you think its necessary?
<Report>	done
<john>	i don't know of any print stuff...if someone has an idea for a new project....maybe it should happen on the mailing list
*	pdx_bht is leaving now, whatever come with the lists thing, let me know as i am doing listwork right now! bye everyone!
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<Xun>	Sorry, i have to go
<Xun>	hasta luego
<john>	bye Xun
<Report>	bye!
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<john>	syndication i will send out a mail to the list about
<john>	because it is a lot of information and i don't have it put together yet
<john>	so the last thing to talk about is: next ftaa mobilization
<john>	who can fill us in on the details?
<d>	i was told it is not happening
<Report>	*
<john>	report
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<Report>	there will be some things going in here
<Report>	done
<john>	report?  if you said something, can you repeat it for me and the log?
<Report>	http://www.alcacmi.org/or/2004/03/3801.shtml
<Report>	there are some dates here
<Report>	we discuss that in encontro de grupos autonomos
<Report>	there will be some thnigs going in here
<Report>	brazil
<Report>	done
<Paique>	*
<john>	paique
<Paique>	hello
<Paique>	i'm a volunteer of imc-brazil and my english is really no good. sorry for errors
<Paique>	ok....
<Paique>	hmmm
<Paique>	i want reforce the writes of Report
<Paique>	and ask about the mobilization of others countries 
<Paique>	to go to brazil,
<Paique>	for the reunion the ftaa
<Paique>	ih last of this year
<Paique>	done and sorry for bad english ;/
<john>	better than my non-existent portugues :)
<Paique>	heh
<aneleh>	*
andre-rio aneleh Mar 28 08:45:58 <john>	aneleh: 
<aneleh>	I just wanna to say that some brazilians imcs are doing printed stuffs
<aneleh>	audios for radios, and videos to mobilization
<Report>	*
<aneleh>	and we
<aneleh>	are promoving a meeting of several groups next month for propose
<aneleh>	activities for mobilization and information about ftaa
<aneleh>	done
<john>	report
<Report>	paique told me to tell this
<Report>	his ideia is that ftaaimc should become a reference...telling the news and
<Report>	to structure the campaign against ftaa
<Report>	done
<Report>	and there will be an a20 here maybe
<Report>	done again
<john>	http://docs.indymedia.org/view/Global/FtaaLinks 
<john>	we started working on this a while ago....list of all groups opposing FTAA ...
<john>	so we could have a more useful reference function...
<john>	it's a wiki page, feel free to add to it/translate it/correct grammatical errors :)
<john>	done
<john>	anthing else, or should we call it a night? 
<d>	i think we should call it a night
<d>	:)
<Report>	i wil try to keep you informed everything that goes here about the ftaa
<Report>	i think thats all for tonight hehe
<aneleh>	;)
<john>	ok....so i guess we can all stop staring at the screen now!
<Report>	send it to the list!
<d>	we can also socialize a bit :P