[Imc-india] Re: [indiaindymedia] How to join India IMC

Thu Aug 28 00:57:01 PDT 2003

Dear Ulla :

thanks for taking to explain the IMC levels and social processes here.

I consider that legal action would be unfortunate last resort, not to 
score points, but precisely because lack of urgent intervention is 
causing serious damage.

All we want is that the madurai collective (aka IMC India) even if 
its all volunteered work to take their  due collective political 
responsibility that goes with running such an operation, which they 
have been shirking from, by clearly stating what they have done so 
far about the unacceptable situation; and that they willing now to 
act, and want  to find the editorial and technical means to end the 
abuse and missue of IMC newswire, with new people to take control of 
things if they havent.

We can all fully appreciate the time consuming process of setting up 
IMC's etc. But inaction in wake of  an organised and sustained 
takeover is unacceptable beyond certain limits.

Failure to take action here means IMC is being read by many as open 
complicity promotion of hate.

a few hours ago i posted 4 reports from newspapers etc, but they are 
now buried deep down by nearly thrice the number of posts by 
fascists from the Hindu right and this is so all day everyday.

I hope that someone from IMC India will respond and not forces us to 
speak to them on other fora.

greetings

Harsh

At 7:22 PM +0100 8/27/03, Anarcho Babe wrote:
>Hi, this would be great to move on to some Indymedia list. I know it is a
>bit difficult to get to know the structure of indymedia as it seems quite
>overwhelming at the beginning. Imc Scotland at its beginning somehow came
>to use a yahoo list, too, because it seemed the easiest option, but after a
>time, most people got to appreciate the setup of the indymedia lists much
>more, especially when intrested volunteers sign-up to the list which they
>can find much easier if it is listed on http://lists.indymedia.org and also
>the open archive has helped out so often when trying to find contact
>details and to see how the development of a group evolved and what
>discussions were had.
>
>About indymedia India, I am sorry but i think I can't be of much help here,
>but of course I am interested in how the discussion develops and what the
>outcome is.
>Also it seems to me that a successfull indymedia works on 3 levels,
>locally, nationally and globally. There is a fourth level sneaking in which
>could be described as "continental" maybe. But it seems to me that
>successfull IMCs work well because of physical local meetings where people
>get to know each other and built trust and have fun developping their
>intrests and exchanging knowledge. Therefore imcs which cover big areas
>often have problems because of not enough physical meeetings. Sometimes as
>seen with France, it might be best to try to build up city-Imcs instead of
>national/network imcs as they are a bit easier to maintain. Basically,
>sometimes such as in France or Russia or whereever,the only solution seemed
>to be a collapse of the site to built up something new, but that could also
>mean that new collectives grow and structure and organise differently, and
>that this might be a more suitable setup for a particular area or so.
>
>Concerning legal action, I would really hate to see this, especially if it
>comes from a "lefty" position. I don't know if anybody explained to you
>yet, that all people working at the indymedia on any level are volunteers,
>nobody gets paid. That means that for all people involved they face a
>conflict between sustaining their life by selling of their labour, spending
>most of their time working and squeezing in imc workload whenever they can.
>Or they don't work and then they might have time but often not the
>resources they need.
>So involvement basically depends on how much time people can spare to
>maintain a project.
>It is great to know you are willing to spend time, energy and enthusiasm in
>building up and maintaining an imc.
>Taking on workload is greatly appreciated by all the IMC collectives
>(normally) and as always earns you respect of the global community.
>But the reason that everybody is a volunteer is also one of the reasons why
>it takes ages sometimes to deal with tricky issues or why it might take
>longer till somebody gets back to you.
>Basically  you need a big amount of patience and persistence sometimes.
>But it can be great fun if you get some friends and a collective together
>to built up an Imc and to maintain it.
>So I hope, although you might be initially motivated out of a bad
>experience, that you and like-minded friends can channel this experience
>into a successfull, appreciated and loved project as it is for us (at least
>most of the time).
>
>Basically Bouds recommendations about all the links and read ups are very
>valid. Unfortunately a lot of reading has to be done in IMC :-)
>That might have something to do that many IMC volunteers are so far away
>from each other.
>The nicest and most successfull thing is, if you get to know some IMC
>volunteers of a neighbouring IMC to visit you or you to visit them and to
>get an introduction and chat with them about stuff and organisation, that
>often makes it a lot easier to get your head round stuff.
>
>Sometimes, that doesn't even need to be the IMC closest to you.
>Oh and something else I wanted to add, in my opinion for a functioning IMC
>you would need at least 3 people (bare minimum!), one "techy" who must not
>be a techy but is interested in tech stuff and in solving web and computer
>problems and educates other people about how to make the most out of the
>technology, one person watching and being concerned about the "editorial"
>side of things and one person who can do design aspects. Well, that seems
>to be the absolute minimum. Of course better is a working collective of at
>least 10 or even more volunteers continously working on imc in some
>aspects. And a big mass of volunteers who contribute irregularly but still
>are helping quite a lot in total. And of course, the activists contributing
>from a grassroots community to the newswire. Also, it is of advantage if
>you have people who link up with the IMC community on every level
>(local,national or regional; and global) and also a link up based on the
>issues you might be interested in, may also of advantege (like
>webstuff/radio/print/audio/video/techstuff, etc...)
>
>
>so, hope this helps.
>Ulla
>
>On Wed, 27 Aug 2003 18:30:19 +0100 (BST), Montgomery Cheddar
><ganeshmukti at yahoo.ie> wrote:
>
>>  It has been suggested by people within the IMC
>>  movement that the best place to have discussions on
>>  IMC India is on the IMC India Process list. This has
>>  public archives and therefore is in keeping with
>>  Indymedia's supposed commitment to transparency.
>>  Although little has come out of posting to this list
>>  on the imc-india at lists.indymedia.org email, I suggest
>>  that all those wanting to get involved with India IMC
>>  sign up to it.
>>
>>  You can do this at:
>>  http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/listinfo/imc-india
>>
>>  The archives are available at:
>>  http://lists.indymedia.org/pipermail/imc-india/
>>
>>  Then just post emails to imc-india at lists.indymedia.org
>>  as you would on this yahoo group.
>>
>>  Let's have some discussion on IMC India and perhaps
>>  someone in the Madurai collective will respond to our
>>  messages and offer explanations as to what is
>>  happening regarding violent messages and incitement to
>>  communal violence. Perhaps the collective will allow
>>  new members to their administration and editorial team
>>  to help rejuvinate the group.
>>
>>  Many thanks for your interest.
>>
>>  Ganesh.
>>
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