[Imc-india] Re: [imc-wsf] IMC in Mumbai / IYC
Harsh Kapoor
aiindex at mnet.fr
Thu Jan 8 08:33:53 PST 2004
dear Egil
the IMC india operation is not at the youth Camp but at the Main WSF
event at Goergaon (which some 15 kilometers away from the other IMC
activists initiative at the youth camp), sure you are welcome to come
and participate
harsh
At 1:25 PM +0100 7/1/04, Egil.Skogseth at student.uib.no wrote:
>Hello.
>
>I'm a post graduate media student form Bergen, Norway. I am here in
>India to do
>a field study om Indymedia's coverage of the WSF.
>
>I have been trying for some time now to get in touch with those of you who are
>co-ordinating the preparations with out getting any replies. I have also been
>on the discussion list for the preperation. From what I see from the lates e-
>mails you are planning to have your office at the youth camp. Is that right,
>and where in the camp can I find it?
>I'm coming to Mumbai on the 15th. Can I meet some of you (Harsh Kapoor and
>Patrick Cadorette for example) at your office at 11 am? Then I can present my
>project, and we can discuss how this can be done.
>
>I hope to hear for you soon.
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Egil G. Skogseth
>
>University of Bergen, Norway.
>
>
>Quoting Harsh Kapoor <aiindex at mnet.fr>:
>
>> Hi :
>> speaking as an Imc India volunteer, i would say we all represent
>> pretty diverse political strands within the progressive community and
>> are open to all form of collaboration with the activists of media
>> initiative at the IYC. We have very limited resources, so lets pool
>> in our energies as much as possible.
>> Yeah you can buy sim cards for a local number in India, but your
>> phones have to be gsm compatible ( cdma phones wont work)
>> Harsh
>> At 1:34 AM -0500 4/1/04, evan wrote:
>> >Hello Patrick
>> >
>> >My name is Evan, with my partner Gaba we work with indymedia in
>> >Uruguay and generally as a techies. I've been trying to work with
>> >Harsh and Vickram from India Indymedia. Vickram lives in Mumbai and
>> >has working on helping coordinate between indymedia and the WSF.
>> >
>> >On Friday, Jan 2, 2004, at 04:27 US/Eastern, patcad wrote:
>> >
>> >>Greetings,
>> >>This is Patrick from Quebec.indymedia.
>> >>I'm in Mumbai now trying to coordinate a a indy media room with the
>> >>media and communications comittee of the YOC/IYC.
>> >
>> >That's great. Everything seems to need a bit more coordination and
>> >there seems to be a number of parallel projects.
>> >
>> >>We have very little information from the network at this moment.
>> >
>> >Indymedia in India is not as established as it is in Brazil, and
>> >combined with the different political has changed the organizing and
>> >the relationship to the World Social Forum. I'm cc'ing the indymedia
>> >india mailinglist to try and bring more people in to the loop.
>> >
>> >Vickram, Harsh, and some of us who have been working towards
>> >indymedia projects at the WSF have been talking to the Media and
>> >Communications folks at the WSF. The general plan which is being
>> >implemented is to setup a small media center with half a dozen
>> >computers and a streaming web radio station. We have not talked
>> >about setting up a larger indymedia center at the Youth Camp. We
>> >heard a rumor that somebody was working on something like that, but
>> >nobody gave us an email or any way to get a hold of these people.
>> >
>> >Perhaps your email is the opening we need to get communication flowing
>> better.
>> >
>> >>We need to know:
>> >>: is everyone ok with having the IMCenter within the IYC.
>> >
>> >I'm speaking for my self on this, but this is my take on the
>> >relationship between indymedia and the WSF 2004 in Mumbai. During
>> >the second WSF in Brazil indymedia had a media lab setup at the
>> >official WSF youth camp in a space which was also used a number of
>> >community radio stations and a very loud DJ. The space was dubbed
>> >the 'World Socializing Forum' as it was loud, nobody went to sleep
>> >'til the crack of dawn, and the space was very open. It had a
> > >feeling of a brazilian rainbow gathering with a lot of hard left
>> >radical groups thrown in the middle of the camp. The music was so
>> >loud it was difficult to have a conversation. A number of laptops
>> >were stolen from the indymedia space and it was flooded when it
>> >rained heavily.
>> >
>> >My primary concerns about an effective media working space at the
>> >youth camp are the logistical ones mentioned above. Of course, it
>> >goes without saying that Indians and Brazilians have very different
>> >cultures. A camp organized by Indians will be very different.
>> >Perhaps the media tent will physically be setup differently. I think
>> >that security against theft could be even more important in Mumbai.
>> >
>> >> Are there any reasons not to associate IMC with IYC? If there are
>> >>political differents, these should be expressed so that every one
>> >>involved know about them. Namely, is there talk of IMC joining with
>> >>Mumbai Resistance 2004. If so, it needs to be said that a great
>> >>many people from outside of India are going to participate in IYC...
>> >
>> >In Brazil, Indymedia has it's core networks and support within the
>> >anarchist, punk movements and among university students. The World
>> >Social Forum has it's power within very institutionalized leftist
>> >unions and the Workers Party (PT) which is a popular front type
>> >coalition of many leftist parties and tendencies. The one movement
>> >which both indymedia and the WSF organizers both support is that of
>> >MST, the rural landless worker's movement, which itself is somewhat
>> >excluded from the WSF.
>> >
>> >The primary critiques of the WSF and PT are of their anti-democratic
>> >internal structure, institutionalization, and their reformist and
>> >statist politics. Some parts of the Brazilian left has always
>> >boycotted the WSF, while indymedia and activists connected to PGA
>> >(People's Global Action) have focused on setting up parallel forums.
>> >
>> >Mumbai Resistance 2004 is another beast all together. They have
>> >copied and reposted articles from indymedia activists in brazil and
>> >others against the WSF, but they do not share the radically
>> >democratic or autonomist political perspective. As far as I can tell
>> >there is little political common ground between Indymedia and MR2004
>> >except that both have people with a critique of the WSF as being
>> >reformist and not representing their radical politics.
>> >
>> >Because there is not the same political environment between the WSF
>> >organizers and Indymedia in India i expect that people are more
>> >willing to cooperate and collaborate on projects than when the WSF
>> >is held in Brazil.
>> >
>> >There will be a meeting of PGA activists outside the WSF and i
>> >expect many indymedia activists will attend and participate.
>> >
>> >>: how many IMCists are coming to Mumbai; from which collective;
>> >>when; so that we can figure out how many journalists/mediactivists
>> >>need acces to the IYC media facilities;
>> >
>> >We do not know how many people will be attending from indymedia
>> >centers. We know at least a dozen people. During the WSF in Brazil
>> >there were around 200 people working on the indymedia project, not
>> >counting people who's primary activity was with other groups and did
>> >not use the media center. We had 30 computers for the IMC and they
>> >were all almost always occupied.
>> >
>> >Many activists came overland from brazil, uruguay, argentina,
>> >bolivia, and as far away as colombia by land. We won't be having
>> >nearly as many south asians as indymedia does not have the same
>> >network in south asia as we do in south america. On the other hand
>> >there might be more europeans.
>> >
>> >The reality is that it's all guesswork.
>> >
>> >>: do you plan to stay at the IYC?
>> >
>> >Some people will be, many will not. If you have video cameras,
>> >computers, and other expensive equipment it is dangerous to stay in
>> >the camp.
>> >
>> >>: if you plan on bringing material, what are you bringing with you?
>> >
>> >We will be brining between 2 and 4 computers which people in the
>> >Boston IMC are helping recycle. They are pentium III's with 128 megs
> > >of ram and 6 gig hard drives. They won't have monitors. The idea is
>> >to leave them with indymedia or other social movement groups would
>> >could make good use of the computers. We will also be bringing a 8
>> >port 10/100 hub and some ethernet cable.
>> >
>> >I expect that many indymedia activists coming from the first world
>> >will be bringing their own laptops, digital cameras, video cameras,
>> >minidisc recorders. Those things are not generally shared.
>> >
>> >Vickram will be supplying a mixing board and mic's and 3 minidisc
>> >recorders to use with the web radio station. The WSF Media and Comms
>> >Committee has asked us to stream the main introduction ceremony and
>> >some of the bigger talks in exchange for their supplying the space,
>> >a few computers to use, and a net connection.
>> >
>> >>: is mumbai.indymedia going along with this? How can we reach each other?
>> >
>> >You should be emailing the following mailinglists,
>> >imc-india at indymedia.org and imc-wsf at indymedia.org. Indymedia Mumbai
>> >is not a functioning organization. Vickram is the only indymedia
>> >person from Mumbai.
>> >
>> >>What has been discussed so far:
>> >>: there is a large room on the IYC venue dedicated to a indymedia
>> >>center, possibly two rooms.
>> >
>> >First off, i personally like the idea of having an indymedia center
>> >at the IYC. It will help us introduce the idea of participatory
>> >media making to many activists in a concrete hands on way. Thank
>> >you very much for organizing and pushing forward with this space.
>> >
>> >It is much better if the space has doors which can be shut and
>> >locked, a space which can be somewhat controlled so we don't have
>> >all the equipment stolen. In Brazil we had an open air space with a
>> >roof and it did not work out well. If there is a loud music system,
>> >please can the indymedia center be far away from the large speakers.
>> >
>> >>: priority will be given to Indy media; some basic facilities are
>> >>going to be provided to corporate media.
>> >
>> >We will need to discuss the relationship between indymedia and the
>> >WSF media resources made available to the corporate media. At the
>> >same time, many indymedia activists will have official WSF press
>> >credentials.
>> >
>> >>: techies are going to arrange for enough connecting facilitie for
>> >>a large number of computers, including a hub for laptops.
>> >
>> >Cool.
>> >
>> >>: Alex from boston.indymedia has been in touch with Giuseppe from
>> >>the IYC and has projected the possibility of renting about 20
>> >>computers with a few scanners and peripheral material. Can this be
>> >>confirmed?
>> >
>> >I have a question. Are you, the IYC, and the WSF offering to supply
>> >the space, the space and internet connection, the computers,
>> >tables.....?
>> >
>> >My question is this. What are we trying have to supply from the
>> >'indymedia' end of things?
>> >
>> >My understanding is that a computer in Mumbai can be rented for a
>> >month for about $55 USD.
>> >
>> >>Personnaly, I am shooting a documentary film on the IYC and the
>> >>various network stemming from it. I strongly believe that IMC
>> >>should take seriously this opportunity to work with the IYC and its
>> >>thousands of participants from all over the world. This is going to
>> >>be one extroardinary event!
>> >>There is a great deal of things to be discussed around and about
>> >>WSF and IYC. But let us not forget about the important thing, which
>> >>is getting together, learning, working and building together.
>> >>I hope to hear from you very soon and hopefully see you in the coming
>> weeks.
>> >
>> >I too look forward to working with you in Mumbai. Gabriela and I
>> >will be arriving on the 14th. Max from indymedia Michigan will be
>> >there on the 7th.
>> >
>> >Does anybody know if you can rent cell phones or buy gms sim's to
>> >get a local number in Mumbai?
>> >
>> >in solidarity,
>> >evan
>> >
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