[Imc-lwg-general] Re: [Imc-uk-process] clarification

[Richard Malter]

Dave hello thanks for the mail. i follow what you say.

Quoting Planet Mail <planet-mail@pop3.poptel.org.uk>:

[] 
i follow the logic of what you say about meetings.

with regard to the 'blocks' - i think the reason people are saying 'block' is
because what is proposed takes the subject of discussions and disagreements to
a concrete form of resolution when the basic disagreements have yet to be
either (imho) properly discussed in a structured way, or resolved.
personally i am against the proposal for changes _at this point in time_ until
more discussion of the core basic issues that are underlying the more practical
proposals are resolved (or at least more defined).

-- here i do not follow you. thing what is this saying? 

it is saying that one group cannot actually publish its working practices 
equally alongside another (older) group's until either/and a) the two groups 
meet, or b) there is further discussion (with whatever outcome).

This is a basic prejudice against one group. And can only be made and held by a 
position of 'unequalness' = authority of some kind of group over group = same 
thing as hierarchy. very simple point i am making.

Same thing the other way round: if two groups have equality of 'rights', then 
that is the premise; and not only on the condition that some further quantity 
of discussion takes place, which is what "_at this point in time_"  says. 
Negotiation that you suggest becomes prejudiced, with element of coercian (what 
i explained in imc-antartica story). again clear idea.

on a related note, I am having difficulties following (and thus responding) to
the emails that have been exchanging because of their  numbers, length and the
important issues within them, but that's my problem i guess.

-- yes, i know, sorry;)

Richard

Dave.


At 16:50 28/01/2002 +0000, Ana A. wrote:

>>Arne, you must get the fact once and for all that you have no authority.
>>
>>You have no grounds to veto. you do not have the authority to do so.
>
>In a consensus system, every one can block a decision, and this is a block. I
support Arne's block.
>
>I will not engage in further discussion. Please do not take my lack of reply
as unpoliteness.
>
>Ana
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